18.7.21

False teachers and false prophets are preaching on Sunday in BPC

I am watching many preachings online every Sunday from the proponent of Verbal Plenary Preservation, from some BPC.

Have to respond to some of these sermons from these false teachers and preachers.

Every week they preaching sermons without Spiritual comfort in them, they preached to defend themselves, they do not defend the flock, they are destroying the Body of Christ. They judged, cursed, condemned, behaving like little apostles in their churches.

These false teachers preach sermons according to their lust and flesh, but those sermons are not pleasing God, pleasing man, their members like to listen to them, they are a curse in BPC. They are the false brethren in BPC, worse than that, they are the false teachers and false prophets. 


One of these false pastors is Prabudas Koshy.

Listen to what he preached on Sunday Service. Listen to the portion from 1:32:30 onward on the Youtube below.

Hebrews 4:16 "Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."


These false teachers and prophets in these BPC, stopping people to approach God's throne of grace, by putting stumbling-block on the path to the throne of grace.

They said you cannot come to the throne of grace unless you have the perfect Bible unless you read the KJV. Unless you agreed with them totally, you will not be accepted into their BPC. You cannot pray in their BPC. You cannot be a part of them. They said their church constitution is higher than the authority of the Bible. You must accept their church constitution before you can come to the throne of grace.

They are preaching another Gospel.

For them, BPC belongs to them, not to God the almighty.

They said they are the guidance of the truth, they are guardians of the Bible. The truth is. they are the false teachers, teaching members to disobey God.

They cursed and condemned those who disagreed with them, they see themselves as the Apostles in 21th Century. 

They are bringing curses onto themselves and bringing curses onto BPC.

They are twisting the truth into some strange teaching to the church of God.

May God have mercy onto them, so that they may repent.

The very sad thing is these false teachers, false pastors, false prophets, having so many stupid elders and deacons, protecting and following them. These elders and deacons are guilty of misleading the flock, they too will be judged when the Lord returns.

I pray these elders and deacons have nothing to do with these false teachers, false pastors, false prophets. May God have mercy on these elders and deacons, so that they may repent.

14.7.21

Divisive person

 Titus 3:10-11

10 Warn a divisive person once, 
and then warn them a second time. 
After that, have nothing to do with them. 

11 You may be sure that such people are 
warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

13.7.21

Position Statement

We hold to the verbal, plenary inspiration of the Bible in the original manuscripts and that God has supernaturally preserved His inspired words in the totality of extant manuscript evidence.

Our position on biblical translations has not changed. We do not hold to a King James Only position, we have never taken the position that there can be only one good translation in the English language, we continue to use the King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), English Standard Version (ESV). 

Why We Believe the Bible

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https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/why-we-believe-the-bible-session-1

SEMINAR NOTES

  1. Why Are We Concerned with the Bible?
  2. Which Books Make Up the Bible and Why?
  3. The New Testament Canon
  4. Do We Have the Very Words Written by the Biblical Authors?
  5. Does It Matter Whether We Affirm the Verbal Inerrancy of the Original Manuscripts?
  6. What Does the Bible Claim for Itself?
  7. The Old Testament Claims for Itself
  8. The Truth and Authority of the Apostles
  9. How Can We Justify the Claim That the Bible Is God's Word?
  10. The Meaning of the Bible's Inerrancy
  11. Appendix One: The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy (1978)
  12. Appendix Two: The Immediate Knowledge of God That Comes with Human Consciousness in the World
  13. Appendix Three: My Own Experience of God as an Immediate Effect of My Consciousness in the World as a Human Being
  14. Appendix Four: Note on How the Immediate Knowledge of God Relates to the Self-Attestation of Scripture
  15. Appendix Five: Thoughts on How to Know If a Writing Is From God
  16. Appendix Six: An Argument From the Fulfillment of Prophecy
  17. Appendix Seven: How Do We Credit Paul's Testimony?
  18. Appendix Eight: John Calvin on Scripture and the Internal Testimony of the Spirit

After Jeffrey Khoo, it is Quek Suan Yew's turn to face the wind

Dear Rev (Dr) Quek Suan Yew 

Re: Your question posed to me on whether I would reconsider the doctrine of VPP.

Your reply showed some respect to me as a person saved in Jesus Christ.  I appreciate your courtesy as expected from a church pastor. In view of this, I believe it is only right for me to spare some thoughts to answer some of your questions posed to me.

Before answering your inquiry I would like to make a word of comment regarding your emotional state, that is, you seem to suffer from some lapses of emotional upheavals within yourself. A sisterly advice is for you to watch your inner being. Your argumentative nature speaks much of a manic mood that at times you portray yourself as a violent person in your verbal expressions that if unconsciously, God forbid, you may express it in action. In your reply to me, you have shown yourself to be thoughtful, an alreadycalmed down person much like the man whom our Lord had cast out the demonic spirits called legion(Mk 5:116). 

Let me respond to your request of me to “reconsider the doctrine of VPP” which you further elaborated in these words: “It simply means that we hold in our hands the perfect Bible (in the original languages)”. I am sorry to give a vehement negative reply “No!” for the following reasons.  I still view VPP as a heretical view of the Holy Scriptures.

1. First of all, I believe God gave His perfect word to all His Prophets and Apostles at the time of their writing in the original Hebrew and Greek languages to the extent of being inerrant, infallible and, thereby, authoritative in all aspects of life, in this life and for eternity (John 10:35; Luke 21:33; Luke 16:17; Matthew 24:35; Matthew 5:18; Luke 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Proverbs 30:5). I believe God preserved His people and the faithful scribes to copy His word (OT and NT), to transmit His word from generation to generation (Psalm 12:6, 7)1 even until today. We are privileged to have our vernacular                                                           

1 Check other versions of the Bible such as the Chinese CUV, Indonesian Akitab or German Bibel.

Peter Van Kleecks most sensible understanding and study of Psalm 12:67 concluded, In summary ... [t]he only sure conclusion is that there is no consensus within the English Bible tradition for the interpretation of "them" in Psalm 12:7 and it was precisely this lack of agreement within the tradition which was the genius of the ambiguity of the King James Version's rendering. ... by choosing a GreekLatin basis the modern versions elect to overlook the Reformation's Hebrew basis for translation in Psalm 12:67; and the churchly tradition in the new versions is censored by not including a translation that is broad enough to include both interpretations‐‐oppressed people and God's words" (Peter Van Kleeck, The Translational and Exegetical Rendering of Psalm 12:7 Primarily Considered in the Churchly Tradition of the 16th and 17th Centuries and Its Expression in the Reformation English Bibles: The Genius of Ambiguity, March 1993). 

Also check this website http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_why_psalm.htm for Doug Kutilek’s article on “ WHY PSALM 12:6,7 IS NOT A PROMISE OF THE INFALLIBLE PRESERVATION OF SCRIPTURE.”  versions of the Bible because God wants to speak to all people in their native tongues.

Hence, from the earliest times we have God’s word in Koine Greek, that is, the LXX (Septuagint) when the OT was only recognized as authoritative in the Hebrew (in small parts Aramaic and Syriac). At that time, the Hellenistic Jews who only understood Greek and to a lesser extent their Hebraic tongue, did not claim that the LXX with the underlying text of the Old Testament was the Perfect Word of God although Greek was the lingua franca in the ancient world. It was always the Hebrew Bible that is Godbreathed, the very Word of God. In the same stance, if a vernacular language of the translated Bible were to be claimed as the Perfect word of God in ancient times it would have been the Greek Septuagint with the underlying text of the Old Testament. 

2. It was alleged that Alexander the Great [through Ptolemy] commissioned to have the Hebrew Bible translated into Greek and kept in the famous library in Alexandria, Egypt. The library being destroyed by fire. But we have not read in all of history the kind of claim that you, the Faculty and Board of Directors of Far Eastern Bible College under the leadership of Rev Dr Jeffrey Khoo are making. Your claim is a stranger’s voice in the Church of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (John 10:5), a claim that Church History never knew about nor recognized. But you and your cohort are using the blunt knife of human tautological logic to mislead sincere believers of our precious faith. This blatant diversion is a preposterous perversion which in every sense of the word is a HERESY.

3. I will never become a VPP believer because of the dishonesty in Dr J Khoo’s method of argument. You, as well as Rev Dr S H Tow, have used it against Rev Tang and Rev Charles Seet as I’ve read in the papers available in the websites. As you do this, you are guilty of deceiving and misleading Biblebelieving Christians with a new and strange doctrine Dr J Khoo has concocted a devious method of reasoning. It is devised for his advantage to win the simple and naïve believers who are truly looking to God for a genuine firm faith in Jesus Christ, I would term Dr J Khoos factitious logic as a doubleheaded asp argument for the Perfect Bible. 

Let me illustrate the argument which Dr J Khoo has concocted within a period of about

one decade. 

The Writings of the Prophets and Apostles (Autographs) + KJB+Underlying MT/TR Texts (Apographs) = Perfect Bible

Inspiration: Every Word Preservation A B

Verbal PlenaryPreservation+ = C

In short, the formula is expressed in this equation:

A  +  B (KJV+MT/TR)  = C (VPP),   

given that B consists of the elements of KJB and texts of MT/TR, and the MT/TR

(Apographs) = Autographs. 

In another way of putting it, the formula changes again when it is expressed in this

format: B (KJV+A) = C (VPP). 

Hence, Dr J Khoo has, in fact, three formulae up his sleeves to argue in his writings and

these are:

1. A + B (KJV + MT/TR) = C (VPP); 

2. KJV + A  = C (VPP); and

3. KJV = C (VPP);

The dishonesty and deception of Dr J Khoo’s concoction is found in “B” where he can argue that the Word of God to be either both (KJB + MT/TR) or MT/TR, or he may infer to only the KJB. 

What he really means is that the KJB is the very Word of God. But when he is cornered, he would refer to the original languages as the Word of God and he would shift to “A” declaring that it is the Autographs or Apographs as the very Word of God. 

By doing this he is as slippery as an eel in the mud hole. One cannot pull him out of his burrow. That’s a possible reason why he avoids public debates. That is also a reason for him to declare that the VPP is only his personal conviction. By pretending to be humble, he remains undetected, and none could catch hold of him to expose his misbehavior. His vacillation from the Autographs to the Apographs to the KJB is so obvious and so cunning that many church leaders abandon him to selfdestruction. 

Dr J Khoo has concocted a term “Virtual Photocopy” of the Autographs in the Apographs as if he had read or seen the Autographs before. He daringly declared that we have the exact words of the Prophets and Apostles in our hands. By saying this repeatedly, many BPers have been deceived and led astray by his heretical teaching. He has used a theological jargon in Latin to mean “Supernatural” or “Miraculous Preservation” that happen at the time of the translation of KJV in 1611 about a century after the Reformation. But none of the KJVonlyists in the world would dare to postulate such a doctrine, but Rev J Khoo declared this heretical view only in 1992/3.


4. There is a latest twist to the VPP development (in late 2007) of a new formula. The Chinese Bible CUV is now included into the Perfect Bible myth of VPP in late2007. There is lot of internal conflicts and contradictions in this inclusion into the VPP ideology. The CUV was translated by a panel of members from many different Protestant denominations, using the English Revised Version as a basis and original manuscripts for crosschecking. Work on the CUV began in 1890 and originally, three versions of the CUV were planned—two classical Chinese versions and a vernacular Mandarin version. The CUV was completed in 1919, with one amalgamated classical Chinese translation and one vernacular Mandarin translation. 

The original manuscripts referred here is the Westcott and Hort text which has a shorter version as compared to the family of TR manuscripts. In the entire corpus of VPP literature, WestcottHort text has always been labeled as corrupt and, removing GodWord equivalent to those contained in the two epistles of apostle Peter. 

But how did you and Rev Dr Tow S H include CUV as the Perfect Bible with its underlying text of the original languages into VPP teaching? By doing so, VPPists have destroyed themselves. Let me illustrate why I say so by using the contents of your letter written in reply to me:

You noted my use of the NIV for 2 Timothy 1:2426 and showed me the superiority of KJV. You cited 5 examples in your letter for comparison to show the major differences between KJV and NIV. I am only taking 4 of them to show that the VPP ideology is selfcontradictory and has to be totally rejected immediately. It only creates confusion among church members in the Church of Jesus Christ.

a. You cited Matthew 18:11 and commented that “the salvific thrust of Christ’s message is completely lost by the omission of this verse in NIV,” but when I checked the NIV marginal notes, it states: “The Son of Man came to save what was lost.” For you to say that it is completely omitted is inaccurate and misleading. You gave me a very wrong impression of NIV as well as to other people who read your letter. 

Then I checked CUV (和合本) on Matthew 18:11. It has the same omission in the main text but in the margin it has the same verse as in the KJV.2 If you reject NIV and call it a perversion, you must also call the CUV a perversion too in the light of your comments on NIV.

b. Regarding Luke 9:5556, you said, the differences (in NIV with KJV) are glaring and obviously selfexplanatory. The entire meaning is lost with all the words missing. As for Chinese CUV, its margin stated that ancient mss maintained verse 55 but omitted

                                                     


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verse 56.3 As much as VPP is critical of NIV, the same must also be applied to the CUV Bible. In accepting CUV Bible into the fold of VPP‘s definition as the Perfect Word of God, VPP must be rejected because it annihilates itself by its internal contradiction.

VPP ideology has become a laughing stock because its advocates take shots at others and they boomeranged back at them. 

c. The comments also applies to Acts 8:37, you commented that it “is completely omitted in the NIV. But the KJV has it as, “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” The key answer of Philip to the Ethiopian Eunuch’s question on what hinders him to be baptized is lost in the NIV.”  NIV has not exactly omitted verse 37 but in the margin stated: “Philip said, ‘If you believe with all your heart, you may, “The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.’” CUV also has the same comments in the margin about verse 37. 4 Rev Quek, you may be able to throw a smoke screen at the English reader of the Bible but  you cannot bluff Chinese readers who read the CUV.

d. As for your comments on Luke 2:33 the NIV reads, “’The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him,’ the KJV is true to the Greek text which shows clearly that Joseph was not Christ’s father. The NIV by making Joseph the father of Christ undermines the deity of Christ. “ Your comments against NIV should also be applied to CUV because it has the same meaning as in the NIV—“’The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about Jesus” except for “him” in KJV but “Jesus” in CUV .

e. Rev Quek SY, if you are honest and truthful, your criticism against the NIV must be also be applied to the CUV (being recently declared by the VPP cohort as the Perfect Word of God.) It is because the NIV and CUV translations are primarily based on the WestcottHort Greek Text and the Eclectic Text. Does it mean that the WestcottHort Greek Text of the NT is now adopted by VPP as the Perfect Bible? Until early 2007, WestcottHort Greek Text was declared as corrupt. As declared in FEBC literature the WestcottHort Greek Text was the work of two liberal Anglicans, Maryworshipers,

                                                          


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members of some ghosts club and friends of evolutionists who attacked the inspiration and preservation of the Holy Scriptures. 

5. You also asked me this question: “Please tell me which one is “true to the writings of the Prophets and Apostles?” . .  the KJV of NIV?” 

My reply: You are both confused and selfcontradicting in identifying which Greek text or version of the Bible is the very Word of God. How can you ask any person the question when you have two sets of formulae to determine the very Word of God: 

a) KJV    + underlying MT/TR = The very Word of God, infallible, inerrant, 100% inspired and 100% preserved in 2002/3; 

b) CUV + underlying text of WestcottHort text (English RV of 1881) = The  very Word of God, infallible, inerrant, 100% inspired and 100% preserved in late 2007. 

In examining the contents of the recent letter you have written to me, I feel deeply grieved and, at the same time, I pity you greatly and your cohort of VPPists in Calvary Pandan   BP Church and those newly formed VPP churches. They have been erroneously misled by the writings and teachings of Far Eastern Bible College spearheaded by Dr J Khoo together with you and the rest of the Faculty members and Board of Directors. 

I have taken great pains to demonstrate to you that those formulae you are using in reasoning and belief are selfconflicting and confusing that inevitable lead to heresy (2 Peter 3:16). 

In the formation of sound theology there should never be any contradiction. As a system, Biblical doctrines must be sound and consistent and, if necessary practical, based on true historical facts that can be understood by the layperson as well as experts. They must also be easily applied in daily Christian living.

I am sorry to say that VPP ideology is a human invention that is not sustainable at the very start.

I can never be a VPP believer, but on the contrary out rightly reject it as a HERESY!

Yours

Ms Tang Poh Geok, PHD

Lecturer in Law and Psychology

4 Feb 2008  



above article can be retrieved at:

 https://valiantfortruth.tripod.com/tpgCritique_qsy2.pdf

All you wanted to know about VPP

 What's wrong with VPP?

 

 

I could write long essays on this but I think the leaders of the Mandarin Congregation at Pandan had done an excellent job to summarise this issue into a small little booklet. I shall attempt to do a short point form summary soon.

 

In the meantime, please read this booklet prayerfully.

 

http://valiantfortruth.tripod.com/PandanChineseRejectsVPP.pdf

 

I'll put up a separate link if this link is down

Calvary Pandan ACM 26 April 2008

 I just came back from the Annual Congregational Meeting. I do not like what I saw and heard. Firstly, the meeting did not go according to the agenda. The message was purposely planned right at the end so that the congregation do not have a chance to voice their opinion.

 

Things started quite smoothly except for the chairman's snide remarks occasionally.

 

However, I was totally disappointed with the treasurer. He seemed to be unprepared and was unable to answer many questions raised. This is his responsibility not the internal auditor! He was even visibly irritated by the question from one of the members of mandarin congregation and hence misinterpreted his question and gave a totally out of point answer. Furthermore, he seems not have much patience with people.

 

I was quite surprised that the Mandarin Congregation managed to come up with 271 signatures calling for a ECM. However, I am very sceptical of its effect and as many fellow english congregation members continue to be mislead and indoctrinated by the pastors. Kudos to the mandarin session. Do not give up this fight against extremism.

 

The finance report and budget was quickly called for adoption by members after the chairman said that any queries be directed at the internal auditor and treasurer after the meeting. How can we adopt the report if there are questions unanswered? This is absurd.

 

The sermon really took me by surprise. In my entire christian life, this is the first time I heard a sermon that has no references to the bible, full off personal attacks, unsupported accusations and deceit.

 

I did not expect this from the almighty and revered Dr Tow.

 

Let's see what he had to say. He mentioned that we must remember history and started giving a personal account of how the BP movement started and how Calvary Jurong and Calavary Pandan came about. I was very disgusted. So many "I"; seemed like he has claimed all the glory of God for himself. Furthermore, anyone familiar with the history of the BP movement will know that what he said was not true. He was not the one that founded the BP movement. It was Dr T. Tow and Dr Quek KC. The decision for a Pandan outreach was made by the Jurong Session, not his personal decision. Rev Tang came over from Jurong and not as what he said the BOE invited him after Pandan Mandarin was established. He made us of Rev Philip Heng and Elder Cheng but do not that both of them do not subscribe to this extremist theory of VPP.

 

Next he goes on to a gross generalisation of the churches in singapore seems like every other church except the BP churches headed by him are going "back to rome". This is his very subjective opinion and a simple validation will prove him wrong. By the way, it is sola scriptura and not sola KJV.

 

Reformation did not give us the KJV. It gave us the German bible, which do not use the MTTR underlying KJV as texts.

 

Next he tried to define VPP and keep referring to his useless book. I have read the book and do not feel blessed as he claimed. He used faulty logic to say that since the autographs do not exits, our constitution refers to the apographs. This is his own creative interpretation of the constitution. He even took the Mandarin report's statement out of context and added in his own opinion and intrepretation.

 

Oh, before I forget. Before he started out on his slides, he displayed a lot of bible versions such as the NIV, RSV, Living Bible and was condemning them one by one as corrupt, not fit to the called the bible and that people of read them are doomed. This is pure blashpemy. These are the word of God! Thousands of people have been saved by them! He also displayed an image of a symbol representing the Holy Trinity as Satan's symbol. Nonsense.

 

www.greatdreams.com/three/trinity5.gif

 

looks similar to this.

 

Next, he mentioned that doctrine is not decided by member's votes by the BOE. He uses Constitution 11.2 to say that this is the specific responsibility of the BOE. However. I personally think that the BOE has failed in this responsibility and the members must do something about it!

 

After that he continues with an elaborate personal attack on Rev Tan Eng Boo and Rev Tang which I shall not elaborate. He takes their words out of context and accuses them of saying things they did not meant.

 

Lastly, he mentioned that CUV is the best chinese translation available. But fellow readers, it was predominantly based on the Revised Version which he condemned as corrupt. This is double speak. Lastly he said that someone in New York is translating a chinese bible from the KJV. Oh great, one man's work. How is this different from many modern english translations. Do you want to read the CUV which was translated by a panel of bible scholars almost a century ago or you trust the work of a single man? A translation from a translation? Infallible?

 

God Bless You.


From https://verbal-plenary-preservation.blogspot.com/

What is Verbal Plenary Preservation?

 The simplest and most reasonable conclusion regarding Verbal Plenary Preservation is this: God inspired the original autographs and has sovereignly protected His Word through the preservation of thousands of manuscripts with thousands of slight variations—arguably none of which is doctrinally significant. Taken as a whole, these variations do not negate God’s message or His preservation of that message. God has ensured the purity and preservation of His Word through thousands of surviving manuscripts spread over thousands of years and miles. These manuscripts show God’s superintending care through the use of imperfect men so that the Bibles we have today can truly be called God’s Word.

https://www.gotquestions.org/verbal-plenary-preservation.html

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