A Matter for Urgent Prayer: On Thursday afternoon, 11th July 2008, FEBC’s lawyers, Allen & Gledhill, served the Board of Elders a letter informing us that FEBC has instructed the law firm to commence legal proceedings in the High Court of Singapore against us with regard to the use of 9, 9A and 10 Gilstead Road. We have also received FEBC’s letter dated 2 July 2008 that they had approached the Commissioner of Charities and will also be applying to the Attorney-General to intervene in their dispute with Life B-P Church over the use of our premises.
In view of the notice of legal proceedings against the Church, the Session has decided to appoint a legal counsel to act on behalf of Life B-P Church and to take appropriate steps to defend and protect the interests of the Church.
On the question of whether this decision by the Session violates 1 Corinthians 6 which teaches us not to take fellow Christians to court, our conscience is clear because we did not initiate the legal suit. Please pray for the Lord’s will to be done, and kindly refrain from discussing the matter with anyone outside the church.
Above announcement is taken from the church website, this is the down fall of bible college and BP movement, and this is the darkest day in the history of BP in Singapore, theologians sue the BP pastors, because of VPP and the church premises, this is all about power, authority, money, and personal glory. Nothing is done for the glory for God.
I feel very sad about this, sad for the sake of those church members and the Bible college students, because they had to go through this kind of torments and hassles, it is not fair for them, because VPP is a theological argument, it is like the storm in the small tea cup, since the church pastors cannot control and stop the theologians from teaching VPP in the church, so the BOE wanted the theologians to leave the church, but anyhow the theologians do not want to leave, they wanted to stay and fight in the church. This is street fight between theologians and pastors.
My friends, I wanted to draw your attentions, regarding the place of the theologians, the theologians are most likely a teacher, they cannot higher than the pastor of a church, they are helping the pastor in the church in doctrine and teaching.
Take note there is no "theologians" mentioned by Paul, Paul did mentioned teachers. See, teachers are last mentiones in the catagory, Ephesian 4:11, "And He himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers." Those theologians are only bible teachers, they are the last.
Paul put the place of the teacher after the place of pastor, so they are not higher than the pastor.
And it is clearer in 1 Cor 12:28, "And God has appointed these in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gift of healing, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
This struggle is between the pastors (prophet) and the theologians (teachers), nothing to do with the church members, but if they bring this to the court, the church members will get involves, the Singaporean churches will come to know about this, churches will be ashamed. How they are going to stand for the VPP and BP? Nothing good will come out of this lawsuit. Better stop it now.
Is this the way, the fundamentalists treat one another in the Christian circle? This is very much like hunting and hurting one another, this is like a hunting game, the hunters hunt the preys, they are hiding and seeking, chasing and running, until the preys tired and then the hunter killed the preys.
Look, what the Bible says about this hunting, “Be self-control and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” 1 Peter 5:8the devils are hunting the believers. And in another place Ephesians 6:6”In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.” The hunter, the devil uses the flaming arrows to shoot the believers. Paul wanted the believers to pray in Ephesians 6:18, : “Pray in the spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and request…”
Where is the “Life of Christ”, the theologians taught us before, where is the Christ like life in us, Paul said his heart is opened wide for other, where is that heart now, the theologians taught the young men to follow him, where is the heart which is opened wide in him? I did not see any. The theologians said truth is everything, greater than love and charity, it this is the truth they are proclaiming? Sue the church pastors because they do not wanted to accept VPP?
How can the VPP theologians fight until to the law court, they had a lot of money to build and buy another Bible college, in fact they can start the Far Eastern Bible College in Calvary Pandan BPC (English session) from July 2008, why quarrel about the building and the premises in Gilstead Road, let the church members use the premises freely. The VPP theologian can go to another place and start their ministry, why tussle like this, the senior pastors all must be awake, how can they let those young theologians run the hunting race, the pastors must unite together to start a new synod to decide this matter, this a spiritual warfare, the lawsuit may takes years and months, let the synod decide the belonging of the premises and make a announcement to the church member. That is a straight forward and I see this is a better solution. Let the lawsuit find its solution, and let the synod declared the truth as soon as possible.
Fast and pray
Many church members will be very much affected in growth, the members should fast and pray for 3 days begin from any moment in this week, urgently. No eating from morning until night for 3 days, they may drink milk and water, and eat at night, please fast and pray. We have to go through this kind of fasting and praying because of the doctors and theologians. What happened to them? You see the fox has shown its tail. The VPP theologians are not simple minded. They had already see this s the opportunity to fight the church. They are prepared for this legal fight from the beginning.
Bravely, those who can overcome this tussle and struggle, you are now to be called, the one who are “pan by glory.” Do not worry at all. Rejoice in trials. The Lord has overcome the world for us.
Psalm 50:15, “And call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, And you will honor me.”
God’s is Immanuel, God is with us,
He is our help in time of troubles.
He is the help for the helpless,
So we can:
Relieve,
Resolve,
Rebuild,
Regain,
Trust in Him.
and you are called to be the light of this world….
The light of this world.
The light.
There must be light.
We must lived in light.
The Lord said, let there be light, and there was light.
The face of the Lord shine upon us. And keep us.
Let His contenance shine upon us, and protect us.
Oh Lord, hear our call to You.
14.7.08
13.7.08
Verbal Plenary Preservation is not relevant anymore
A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born of adversity (Prov. 17:17)
God had lower down a sheet of cloth, there are all kinds of unclean animals in this cloth, and He called Peter to kill and eat those unclean animals. This is against the teaching in the scripture (OT), but the Lord has power over the scripture. He is coming to fulfill the every jot and title of the scripture. This act I think is to commission the church to reach out to the lost soul and evangelize the pagan or gentile world. And prepare Peter to accept the unclean pagan who will later believe in Jesus Christ.
Be this our vision in our church. The greatest commandment is to love God and secondly to love one another. Put away those differences in teachings, let us see what the Lord want from us, are we accepting one another, forgiving one another, to grow up to be mature and perfect. Be the light of this world by doing good work.
Let it be so, consider this. When it is time to come for the Lord to replace Soul, the first Israelite king, he sent Samuel to see Jesse, and Jesse had 3 sons, they are good soldiers, man of war, fighter, but God did not pick them, but God chosen the youngest son, David to takeover the kingdom, the man after God's heart. We had struggled for many years for VPP, did God really want us to do that? Who is among you all, which God will raise up and take over the leadership in the new synod, fighters? Or man of God’s own heart??? Consider this carefully.
About the Words of God, this will take years to study and understand His Word the Bible. Every believer should believe we have the Living WORD of God. And do not forget Christ Jesus is the Living WORD. He is the Son of God, our only Lord and Savior and He is the Incarnated Word. The Word became fresh not to be debated, but to be worshiped and followed. The letter kill, but the Spirit gives life. Emmanuel, the WORD is with us, 100% is with us. Please draw near to the Lord, the Living Word, worship Him, may God forgive us through Him. Ask Jesus for forgiveness, with Jesus, we have perfection, ONLY Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. And thank God for giving us the Bible, the inspired Word God, this is the Spiritual sword, God given us the Sword to fight the spiritual warfare. The Bible is the Word of God; there is no error in the original Bible. But the Bible which is translated into many languages, the translations are not perfect, KJV is not perfect, and the TR is not perfect, only the original texts are perfect, but any how the most important is that the meaning is perfectly intact in these faithful translations. The most important is that the Old Testament and the New testament pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ, He is the Lord and Savor of the World.
In Romans 8:16 in KJV, "The Spirit itself..." Since the Holy Spirit is a person, the word should be translated as “The Spirit Himself..." Please see other translations like NKJV, NIV..... In English, to address a living person, we must use words correctly, to address a person; we must use (him or her). The third Person of Trinity, The Holy Spirit, He is God, He is not a thing, He is a living Person. This is a grave mistake in the KJV Bible, theologically speaking this is like the Jehovah Witness denying the divinity of the Holy Spirit, so you see, KJV is not 100% perfect, is not 100% without errors, very possible that KJV was translated from a imperfect underlying text, honestly speaking the truth TR also is not perfect, for this let those theologian goes and proof the perfection. We should not hurt one another with the doctrine of Verbal Plenary Preservation (VPP), this is wrong. We should see that point. We should not stumble anyone in the bible study, with problems in our own theological stands. Let us see ourselves weather we ourselves are standing by faith or not. Some of us personally may agree that God preserved His Words, preserving them generally in all the MSS and TR, KJV... There is nothing wrong about that, we all must agree that the autograph is perfect....But it is questionable, if anyone suggests the whole bible is preserved in a single TR like the VPP promoted. Do not talk like child, is a man, lets us photocopy all the 5000 MSS, and let every Bible College students study all the MSS in the Bible College again. Proof the VPP to the college students let them agree with the theologians.
Some theologians may suggest VPP in the Bible College's lecture note as personal view only, they may teach VPP in the Bible classes as a theory, but that is only an hearsay or a lecturer's opinion, it personal, let the members choose to accept or not, it not crucial, if one does not accept VPP, it is his personal preference, please see this as a freedom in christianity, it does not effect our belief, since we all are accepting all the important doctrines like the salvation, the doctrine of God and man, doctrine of death and life, the doctrine of Spirit, let us agree and united with the crucial and major doctrine, let God leads us, let God has some times and rooms to work in the church, let the church has time to decide the matters, if the matters are hard to understand, and no one understand what the theologian or teacher means, let the person who is speaking or teaching, keep silent, let him speak to God and himself, and if a prophet is speaking, let other prophet judge his speaking, we should speaking one by one, there is the order, for us who lack of wisdom, let us pray for wisdom. Please do not go to the extent to attack our own brothers and sisters in Christ and spit the churches because of a personal VPP view. I speak like a fool now. VPP teaching may not be heretical. But if VPP theologian is splitting the church, then it will make them to look like heretic and becoming one. Are we standing at God's side or the enemy side? God is not respecter of person, if a Bible teacher's doctrine is wrong, then he is wrong, maybe he is the founder of the church, when he is wrong in doctrine, he must admit that he is wrong, he should have no morale support for him, or playing cards of sentiment in the church. Tell him in anger do not sin. Do you want to cut my head, because I do not want to accept your personal view? I am speaking like a fool.
In the church, Paul exhort us to speak 5 words, 5 understandable words, edifying words, this is very true and important for a theologian, or a teacher in church or Bible College , (1 Cor 14:19) than thousands which are not, which are not understandable, which are not for edifying. The more we speak, the more we made mistakes. We should bridle our tongue! It is speaking big things! Which is like this VPP, is very hard to understand. But not edifying the church! It brings up fire of hell. (James 3:6)
You better suggested some B-P to change their names into VPP-Presbyterian Church, or Bible-Press, a new denomination and sect. And sad to say, the Chinese name of all B-P s are also not literally translated, B-P should only be translated into the 5 Chinese words, they are "Bible" and "Presbyterian", "sheng Jin zhang lau hui," that is a better translation. How come it is translated as "to xing sheng Jin zhang lau hui." You see why B-P stumble themselves in the Bible issues, the BP theologian who use small Bible issue to split the presbyters, is B-P = B minus P? Bible minus Presbyterian? Subtraction? Why they want only the Bible and minus the presbyters? Why VPP theologian acts so cruel and merciless, without any love to the presbyters? Where is the mutual middle and common ground for all the Ministers and Presbyters? Can we still smiling and happy all the way to see one of our body to be in pain, but they prefer to split the church one by one, are we not called to be one in a body. How come the theologian prefer to cause one of the little one to stumble (St Matthew 18:6-7) shouldn’t we treasure to see brethren to dwell together in peace and unity (Ps 133) Are we BP the only denomination who believe in the Bible, other denominations do not? We put the word "Bible" in the name of the denomination. Are the theologians happy, rejoice in the Lord always? Causing other ministers in pain, the church members hunger of God's Words and ask them to go away in peace? When the churches split because of this small VPP Bible issue? Who is feeding the flocks? Please blow your trumpet, watchman please keeps on watching, and do you pray for one another? Or curse one another? Shouldn't we BP the more humble and to be more learn-able like others. Actually we do not know everything as our BP theologians presume. Are everyone called to be master to many people? We face greater judgment as a teacher. Can we call everyone as theologian? And calling every house as a Bible College? Pride comes before falls and destruction! Forbid that! I may write thesis like a theologian, but I am not a theologian, more than 20 years, I study 1 Corinthians 13 and 14, there are more and more to be learned, everyday, I rather behave like a layman, we are all priest, we have to rebuke those carnal theologian, self seeking, self promoting, so called theologians.
VPP, be careful of the snare of the devil, in Luke 22:31, "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat...." B-P, B-P, where is the good works we are doing? We better plea all B-P to cool down the heads, sit down with warm hearts, and please shake hands. For the witness of the truth. A kingdom divided among itself, how it can stand any longer? (Matthew 12:25)
We also afraid that some one out there, literally translated 1 Cor 5:5, "....destruction of the fresh." So literally, in true living situation, a son in law hates the father in law, so the son in law giving a lot of sugar to his own father in law to kill him, when the old man is a diabetic patient, in order to kill him slowly. To destroy his father in law's fresh "biblically"! Beware of, this kind of bible application! This is not a biblical application. Like a doctor giving toxic to cause his patient to have cancer, to kill his own patients slowly. This is what kind of doctor? There are such people in B-P churches, like the blind leading the blind. Beware of those blind doctors, shun them! How cruel is the Dr.! This is a murder, this is hate, this is wrong, must repent! When there is lust, there will be quarrels. (James 4:1) May the Lord grant us forgiveness in mistranslating and miss using the Bible. May God give us our daily food? May God give us our spiritual food? Please open our eyes, to see the truth. Amen.
Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. (1 Cor 8:1)
REMEMBER LOVE IS THE GREATEST! IS THEOLOGIAN THE GREATEST?
Without love, truth is useless, and hope is meaningless, love is the most important…..
I hope this will encourage you, pray for FEBC and all BP, I hope you know i love BP, and also I know BP believe the truth, last i hope, you may know how to pray for BP.
From,
Josiah & Philip
11.7.08
Thy love the flame
Psalm 119:165, "Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble."
My teacher said, we must keep the 10 commandments, keep the morale laws, but not the ceremonial laws, I totally agreed with him. The commandments says, you shall not kill. One day I heard, a christian teacher scolded her students, in the early morning, she said gently to the students, "I kill you, I kill you, I kill you.." I cannot imaginate what is in her mind, I am surprise to heard that from a gentle lady like her, from a christian like her, she said that again few days later. I hope the young students will not understand what she said, not at all. I hope they will forget the teacher's spoken words, 3 simple words, but they do kill. Deep into man heart, a christian's word like a double edge sword, it kills. It is very hard to forget those 3 words, sometimes we just say that, sometimes even, when we are preaching and praying, indirectly we are whispering in our heart like this, "I killed you." Wrong doctrine is like that. It kills. The satan is the murderer in the begining. In the New Testament, the Lord said, sin of hatred is like a sin of murder. How severe it is, sometimes, with word we kill.
One of my Christian friend told me about his childhood, his father is a pastor, he is a hot tempered pastor, my friend remembered, when he was still as a young boy, his father used to tide up his foot with rode, and hang him up side down in the room, and bitten him with his belt, his mother cannot do anything, he was bitten because he was naughty or done some mistakes. I was very hurt to heard that. How can a pastor do that to his own son. The punishment was to severe to a young boy like him. Where is the love of a father? Where gone the trust of the father? After more than 45 years, my friend still cannot forgive and forget his father, until today he is still angry with his father, I wonder weather father will say, "Son, I am sorry to do that on you." Maybe the father forgot what he done on his son, anyhow, the apology comes a little too late. That is another kind of killing? It seem like the father's punishment on the child is carry on until today. "Pray for them which despitefully use you." Matt 5:44, hopefully the son may one day truely pray for his father. In another place, the Lord said, "man should always pray and not give up." Luke 18:1. in time like this, do not give up forgiving, and giving. These two are the virture of a christian life.
We can see, we try to be Christian teachers and pastors, we may be a capable theologian, a gifted teacher, don't you see, sometimes we are hurting the people nearest to us, we think we are right, because we have the authority and power, watch out, we may abused our given power. Remember, what we done on other, may effect a person whole life.
There is a song, titled, "Spirit of God, Descending Upon My Heart."
...stoop to my weakness...I asked no dream, no prophet ecstasies.....but take the dimness of my soul away.
....teach me the patient of unanswered prayer.....O let me seek Thee, and O let me find.
One holy passion filling my frame,
The kindling of the heaven descended Dove,
my heart an altar,
and thy love the flame...
My teacher said, we must keep the 10 commandments, keep the morale laws, but not the ceremonial laws, I totally agreed with him. The commandments says, you shall not kill. One day I heard, a christian teacher scolded her students, in the early morning, she said gently to the students, "I kill you, I kill you, I kill you.." I cannot imaginate what is in her mind, I am surprise to heard that from a gentle lady like her, from a christian like her, she said that again few days later. I hope the young students will not understand what she said, not at all. I hope they will forget the teacher's spoken words, 3 simple words, but they do kill. Deep into man heart, a christian's word like a double edge sword, it kills. It is very hard to forget those 3 words, sometimes we just say that, sometimes even, when we are preaching and praying, indirectly we are whispering in our heart like this, "I killed you." Wrong doctrine is like that. It kills. The satan is the murderer in the begining. In the New Testament, the Lord said, sin of hatred is like a sin of murder. How severe it is, sometimes, with word we kill.
One of my Christian friend told me about his childhood, his father is a pastor, he is a hot tempered pastor, my friend remembered, when he was still as a young boy, his father used to tide up his foot with rode, and hang him up side down in the room, and bitten him with his belt, his mother cannot do anything, he was bitten because he was naughty or done some mistakes. I was very hurt to heard that. How can a pastor do that to his own son. The punishment was to severe to a young boy like him. Where is the love of a father? Where gone the trust of the father? After more than 45 years, my friend still cannot forgive and forget his father, until today he is still angry with his father, I wonder weather father will say, "Son, I am sorry to do that on you." Maybe the father forgot what he done on his son, anyhow, the apology comes a little too late. That is another kind of killing? It seem like the father's punishment on the child is carry on until today. "Pray for them which despitefully use you." Matt 5:44, hopefully the son may one day truely pray for his father. In another place, the Lord said, "man should always pray and not give up." Luke 18:1. in time like this, do not give up forgiving, and giving. These two are the virture of a christian life.
We can see, we try to be Christian teachers and pastors, we may be a capable theologian, a gifted teacher, don't you see, sometimes we are hurting the people nearest to us, we think we are right, because we have the authority and power, watch out, we may abused our given power. Remember, what we done on other, may effect a person whole life.
There is a song, titled, "Spirit of God, Descending Upon My Heart."
...stoop to my weakness...I asked no dream, no prophet ecstasies.....but take the dimness of my soul away.
....teach me the patient of unanswered prayer.....O let me seek Thee, and O let me find.
One holy passion filling my frame,
The kindling of the heaven descended Dove,
my heart an altar,
and thy love the flame...
10.7.08
The Good Music
Music can brings us, some happiness and also some comforts. That is why the church has choir to sing songs. In reality, the choir also united to worship the Lord. Sometimes they will praise the Lord. But presently, many churches are using short choruses, to replaces the hymns. This is quite unhealthy, because the short choruses are too emotional, seldom comes with in depth meanings. Some sing the choruses with much noise and dancing, they disturb the peace in worship. We forgot that we are worshipping the Lord, He is the mighty God. We need good music when we are worshipping the Lord. The Best is the classical music, many seminaries and churches regret that the acceptance of contemporary songs into the churches, it is a wrong decision. Many churches had became musical concert rather than place of worship. Some had become party of rock and roll. The classic and contemporary songs cannot get along together. There are gaps between them. Like the generation gap. But the classic is better to be used in worship. 1 Cor 14:15, we are told by Paul to sing with our mind and understanding also. The classical music suit the mind and understanding better. The contemporary song brings us the sound of man, it is fill the churches with the emotional and feeling factors, but the classical song bring us the sound of God, they are divine, they have power, to elevate the worshippers to the higher ground.
Tonight, I see this news in the internet, a young business man was killed with 4 gun shots, killed by 3 killers, and the family members are very sad about his death, he was shot in the petrol station, and the family members told the reporters after that killing, that they intended to let the deceased find the killers, and also to revenge, they will let him wear red cloth and red pant and lay him in the coffin, and they will put a long knife beside him in the coffin, so that the young business man has weapon to revenge. The world is full of killing and revenging, they needed to find rest, but sad to say, there is no rest even after death. Hopefully the church is not like this, let there be peace and unity, and let us become peace maker. Let us care for one and another, stop pointing fingers, and put away the malice of the wrong doctrine like VPP, without hatred and be kind to one another. Let us sing praises to the Lord in unity, let the people shake hands, let us put down the knives, make them into plow. Let us sing the new song in unity….”Blessed be the Name….”
….and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
And to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God
In true righteousness and holiness.
Eph 4:23-24
Tonight, I see this news in the internet, a young business man was killed with 4 gun shots, killed by 3 killers, and the family members are very sad about his death, he was shot in the petrol station, and the family members told the reporters after that killing, that they intended to let the deceased find the killers, and also to revenge, they will let him wear red cloth and red pant and lay him in the coffin, and they will put a long knife beside him in the coffin, so that the young business man has weapon to revenge. The world is full of killing and revenging, they needed to find rest, but sad to say, there is no rest even after death. Hopefully the church is not like this, let there be peace and unity, and let us become peace maker. Let us care for one and another, stop pointing fingers, and put away the malice of the wrong doctrine like VPP, without hatred and be kind to one another. Let us sing praises to the Lord in unity, let the people shake hands, let us put down the knives, make them into plow. Let us sing the new song in unity….”Blessed be the Name….”
….and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
And to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God
In true righteousness and holiness.
Eph 4:23-24
The Theologian and snake
One day a woman said some nasty words in the public, she said if you meet a snake and a Indian, which one you will hit, she said you must hit the Indian, not the snake. In this she is saying that the Indian is more dangerous than the snake, this word reminded me about the false theologian who taught people false doctrine.
I asked me this question, if one day I meet a snake and a false theologian, which one you will hit first, you get what I meant. The false theologian is more dangerous than the king cobra, the venon of the false doctrine killed more than people than the snake itself.
Since, we are servant of God, I disagree with the woman, we cannot hit or strike, so we say, shu, shu, shu, chase away the snake and the false theologians. Shun the snake and false theologians, see the theologians are stronger than me.
They are happier than me. Oh God, comfort me.
I asked me this question, if one day I meet a snake and a false theologian, which one you will hit first, you get what I meant. The false theologian is more dangerous than the king cobra, the venon of the false doctrine killed more than people than the snake itself.
Since, we are servant of God, I disagree with the woman, we cannot hit or strike, so we say, shu, shu, shu, chase away the snake and the false theologians. Shun the snake and false theologians, see the theologians are stronger than me.
They are happier than me. Oh God, comfort me.
Fun quizzes for the theologians
This is my personal views about theologian. They are all human like us.
The Theologian are mostly teachers, they teach, there are many kinds of teachings, here I had a quiz for them: (The theologian should ask themselves these kinds of questions before they start to teach:)
Fun quizzes (100 %), now everyone must take this test,
1. Where their teachings come from?
a. the Holy Spirit?
b. personal, the theologian, himself,
c. the demons.
2. Where the teaching apply to?
a. universal, the whole church
b. personal, the theologian, himself,
c. the demons.
3. Who is being glorified?
a. the Holy Spirit
b. the theologian,
c. the demons
4. Where is the Holy Spirit, when the theologian is teaching:
a. in the theologian
b. beside the theologian,
c. far from the theologian.
5. Where are the demons, when the theologian is teaching:
a. in the theologian
b. beside the theologian
c. far from the theologian
6 About their teaching,
a. the teaching is finalized.
b. the teaching is opened for debates and improvement.
c. the teaching is hearsay, heresy, false, demoniac.
7. Where is the theologian, he is....
a. living in holiness
b. living in the world
c. living in hell
More questions are to be added soon, please study hard, to show you are a good servant,
please pass my weekly quizzes, before you can sit my exam, and 4 years later you can receive the cert,
Good luck.
from,
the Bible Student's desk
The Theologian are mostly teachers, they teach, there are many kinds of teachings, here I had a quiz for them: (The theologian should ask themselves these kinds of questions before they start to teach:)
Fun quizzes (100 %), now everyone must take this test,
1. Where their teachings come from?
a. the Holy Spirit?
b. personal, the theologian, himself,
c. the demons.
2. Where the teaching apply to?
a. universal, the whole church
b. personal, the theologian, himself,
c. the demons.
3. Who is being glorified?
a. the Holy Spirit
b. the theologian,
c. the demons
4. Where is the Holy Spirit, when the theologian is teaching:
a. in the theologian
b. beside the theologian,
c. far from the theologian.
5. Where are the demons, when the theologian is teaching:
a. in the theologian
b. beside the theologian
c. far from the theologian
6 About their teaching,
a. the teaching is finalized.
b. the teaching is opened for debates and improvement.
c. the teaching is hearsay, heresy, false, demoniac.
7. Where is the theologian, he is....
a. living in holiness
b. living in the world
c. living in hell
More questions are to be added soon, please study hard, to show you are a good servant,
please pass my weekly quizzes, before you can sit my exam, and 4 years later you can receive the cert,
Good luck.
from,
the Bible Student's desk
8.7.08
Theology
One day, on the way to a place, I sat on a moving train, my friend had a talk about theology. He said we must learn theology at soon at possible, and do not wait until we are old, we must learned when we are young. Good friend talk about a theologian, he said he had find the beauty of theology, he said that theology is fact is very beautiful, he explained what is the beauty of theology.
For example, The Lord’s Supper. The Lord said, “It is my body”. The good theologian explained that the body is the body of Christ. The blood is the blood of the Lord. The Good Theologian said suppose one day, the Lord came to you, and he show you a pen, and the Lord said to you, “this is my pen.” The theologian said, you must agree with the Lord, about His statement, firstly that is a pen, and secondly the pen belongs to the Lord. You must not argue with the Lord and say to the Lord, “Lord, I do not think it is a pen, it does not look like real, it is not a pen, because it does not look like a real pen, it a pencil, I think.” But you must agree with the Lord, when the Lord said, “This is my body…and this is my blood.” Even though, the holy communion does not look like the body and blood of the Lord, but the Lord pronounce them, “Yes, they are.” So we must accept them by faith. We accept the Holy Communion with gladness, and we knew the Lord had given His body and blood for us.
Spiritually, the bread and wine bring us great blessing. This is the greatest blessing God given us in a term of material, I now partake the Lord’s supper with another kind of reverence, and thank God, for the bread and wine. By faith I now, partake, these are the real body and blood of Jesus Christ. Amen. See, a Good theologian explains with simplicity, and the truth is understood, even young men also can understand this and we thank God for good theologian. Did you find any theologian so far, who can explain the beauty of theology to you, hoping you will like to study theology one day.
But some theologians are totally different from these good theologian, those theologians, bring us head knowledge like the theory of VPP, but that does not bring us any goodness, they bring us into the dead end, and people did not see the beauty of the theology. Rather people see the ugly side of the knowledge. Do you want to be a good theologian? You must look to the Lord, He is the best theologian. “He said He is the truth.” Do you believe that statement? As simple as that, a big first step into theology.
For example, The Lord’s Supper. The Lord said, “It is my body”. The good theologian explained that the body is the body of Christ. The blood is the blood of the Lord. The Good Theologian said suppose one day, the Lord came to you, and he show you a pen, and the Lord said to you, “this is my pen.” The theologian said, you must agree with the Lord, about His statement, firstly that is a pen, and secondly the pen belongs to the Lord. You must not argue with the Lord and say to the Lord, “Lord, I do not think it is a pen, it does not look like real, it is not a pen, because it does not look like a real pen, it a pencil, I think.” But you must agree with the Lord, when the Lord said, “This is my body…and this is my blood.” Even though, the holy communion does not look like the body and blood of the Lord, but the Lord pronounce them, “Yes, they are.” So we must accept them by faith. We accept the Holy Communion with gladness, and we knew the Lord had given His body and blood for us.
Spiritually, the bread and wine bring us great blessing. This is the greatest blessing God given us in a term of material, I now partake the Lord’s supper with another kind of reverence, and thank God, for the bread and wine. By faith I now, partake, these are the real body and blood of Jesus Christ. Amen. See, a Good theologian explains with simplicity, and the truth is understood, even young men also can understand this and we thank God for good theologian. Did you find any theologian so far, who can explain the beauty of theology to you, hoping you will like to study theology one day.
But some theologians are totally different from these good theologian, those theologians, bring us head knowledge like the theory of VPP, but that does not bring us any goodness, they bring us into the dead end, and people did not see the beauty of the theology. Rather people see the ugly side of the knowledge. Do you want to be a good theologian? You must look to the Lord, He is the best theologian. “He said He is the truth.” Do you believe that statement? As simple as that, a big first step into theology.
No Confidence in the Flesh
Phil 3:1-6
Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh. 3For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless.
Beware of dogs - Unclean, unholy, rapacious men. The title which the Jews usually gave the gentiles, he returns upon them. The concision - Circumcision being now ceased, the apostle will not call them the circumcision, but coins a term on purpose, taken from a Greek word used by the LXX, Leviticus 21:5, for such a cutting as God had forbidden.
Here, I met a leader of A church, he spoke with a strange tongue, a CHARISMATIC tongue speaker, even driving, he spoke in tongue, I can see he is faithful, practicing his Charismatic Movement’s teaching, when we had meeting, he will pray in a short prayer with tongue, and every day and night he is praying with tongue. he enjoyed the tongue speaking very much. Before and after sermon also he will pray a short prayer in the tongue. But he also practices circumcision at the same time, he said, “the circumcision is for the righteousness of the believer.” He also kept the Passover. He told the congregation not to eat pork because the pig is an unclean animal. And he said I am anti-Israel because I did not observe the Jewish custom and laws in the Old Testament. He said we Christians do not understand the Bible like the Jewish does. So we are anti-Christianity. At the same time, he is promoting ecumenical with the Roman Catholic. And he said that the Lord was crucified on Wednesday and not on Friday, and then he said the Lord resurrected on Saturday, not on Sunday. He usually encourages people to keep the Saturday as Sabbath day and worship on Saturday.
You can see there are a lot of different practices and doctrines in Christianity. His church leaders said,” I believe in truth, but I do not believe in absolute truth.” And he told me, “I believe in Trinity but I do not believe in one God.” So strange isn’t it. And they do not agree to worship as a church, but they wanted to worship in the home, they called this as a house church, everyone will be the priest. It is like the earlier church, Paul and Peter, they did worship at home.
I disagree with some of those strange new practices and doctrines, for me, circumcision is not needed for Christian, the Lord is our righteousness, by faith we receive the righteousness. The Holy Communion is better than the Passover. We need not keep the Passover. Pork is not so good, but it is not affecting our faith in the Lord. I am not anti-Semitic; anti-Israel, I believe they are chosen, I kept the Sunday as the Sabbath and worship on Sunday, not because of a Pagan Practice. I believe there is the absolute truth from the Bible because the Lord is the truth, we must believe in the truth. I cannot fully understand their church's doctrine, but they may have misinterpreted some truth. At some points in time, when there is loneliness, and troubles, I forget those differences, I also like to follow them to join with the Romans Catholic. Who cares? But I restraint my seat to follow them, there is a bigger doctrinal issue with the RC.
Because of these doctrinal stands, I become a dog again, barking. I had been looked down because the doctrines I observed. I am a separatist, they called me a heretic. They see me as a stranger, they dislike me because I smell like a dog, I also think like a dog, I am stink because of my doctrines and practices, we are different in many ways in Christianity. They went out to say bad report of our belief, and they see me like a stranger on the street, and they disturb our fellowship, they attack those come to our fellowship, and they kept spying and hurting our fellowship, keep on doing this from the beginning, they continue to stop people to come to our fellowship. But what I can say to them, I said to them, "brothers, please pray for us.”
The enemies had done a lot of things so that I can be chased away like a dog, their numbers are outnumbered us, they are richer 1000 times than me, they see me, “You are so poor, where is God’s blessing, how can you say God bless you.” I am poorer than them. And they are strong than me, they wanted me to disappear from the earth, daily I called on to the Lord, I have problems here, there, from outside and within, the biggest problem is me. And now, the hammer of the VPP is pounding on my head, VPP is like a knife keep on cutting my heart, something must be done, I can not bark louder, the theologians may no hear me, at least I still can write. There are difficulties in serving the Lord, but VPP brings us a big impact and hurt. We are different now compared with 10 years ago. Why? At least, I hope the theologian can see this, I hope the doctors will stop the hands in oppressing the member of the Body of Christ. We have differences in doctrine and practices, but I say again now, “Please pray for us.”
I had written many things about the VPP, I hope I can still live to see the goodness of the Lord on earth. The is very good I want. I am living like a stray dog, a dog has owner and home, so a dog is better than me, I am an outcast, an outlaw too, more than 10 years ago, I had been chased away because of defending the truth, no one will accept a creature like me. What I see the biggest problem is not you, the theologian, the doctors, the tongue speaker, but for me. The drive of the blog reach this point, I had to surrender, to the Lord, only the Lord can help me, and saved me. Amen. Please help me, I am a sinner, Lord, save me, I am weak, please strengthen me, Lord had mercy on me. I cannot help that theologian and doctors, the blog is only for a daily or memo. I hope I will recover soon. Helpless. In God, give thanks.
the fight did not end yet. I will bark, and bark, because of VPP, bark!
Paul cautions the believers to take heed of those false teachers: To write the same thing to you to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe; that is, the same things which I have already preached to you; as if he had said, "What has been presented to your ears shall be presented to your eyes: what I have spoken formerly shall now be written; to show that I am still of the same mind.’’ To me indeed is not grievous. Observe, Ministers must not think anything grievous to themselves which they have reason to believe is safe and edifying to the people. It is good for us often to hear the same truths, to revive the remembrance and strengthen the impression of things of importance. It is a wanton curiosity to desire always to hear some new thing. It is a needful caution he here gives: Beware of dogs. The prophet calls the false prophets dumb dogs (Isa. 56:10), to which the apostle here seems to refer. Dogs, for their malice against the faithful professors of the gospel of Christ, barking at them and biting them. They cried up good works in opposition to the faith of Christ; but Paul calls them evil workers: they boasted themselves to be of the circumcision; but he calls them the concision: they rent and tore the church of Christ, and cut it to pieces; or contended for an abolished rite, a mere insignificant cutting of the flesh. He describes true Christians, who are indeed the circumcision, the spiritual circumcision, the peculiar of people of God, who are in covenant with him, as the Old-Testament Israelites were: We are the circumcision, who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
A song for a barking dog…
I am treated like a dog,
I am a dog? a chained and bitten dog,
Why, because I am barking like a dog,
So they called me, a fierce dog,
And an evil worker, go away, go away,
When I said the bad things
about the theologians and doctors,
I am chased away like a dog, like a dog,
and begging like a stray dog,
no mercy for a stray dog,
They wanted to see another dog
come and lick my blood, lick my blood,
ha..ha..ha..ha.......
A dead lion is better than me, a stray dog..
There is a lot of UNChristian happening on this side of the earth,
Judgment must come to this coast.
When I said I am wrong,
forgive me, and I said, “I am punished,”
They said to warn me,
“If you touched me, I will touch you.”
And they send good tiding to me,
“I kill you”, “I kill you.”
When I said VPP is wrong,
They said to me, “You are finished.”
the theologians said, “You cannot serve the Lord !”
Even, I said anything now,
I am punished,
Now, I am like a dog barking for justice,
But I am punished for this also.
“No, you cannot be the son of God.” the theologian proclaimed,
They said this because they are holier than thou,
“you are wicked,”
said the elders,
the theologians,
the doctors.
Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh. 3For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless.
Beware of dogs - Unclean, unholy, rapacious men. The title which the Jews usually gave the gentiles, he returns upon them. The concision - Circumcision being now ceased, the apostle will not call them the circumcision, but coins a term on purpose, taken from a Greek word used by the LXX, Leviticus 21:5, for such a cutting as God had forbidden.
Here, I met a leader of A church, he spoke with a strange tongue, a CHARISMATIC tongue speaker, even driving, he spoke in tongue, I can see he is faithful, practicing his Charismatic Movement’s teaching, when we had meeting, he will pray in a short prayer with tongue, and every day and night he is praying with tongue. he enjoyed the tongue speaking very much. Before and after sermon also he will pray a short prayer in the tongue. But he also practices circumcision at the same time, he said, “the circumcision is for the righteousness of the believer.” He also kept the Passover. He told the congregation not to eat pork because the pig is an unclean animal. And he said I am anti-Israel because I did not observe the Jewish custom and laws in the Old Testament. He said we Christians do not understand the Bible like the Jewish does. So we are anti-Christianity. At the same time, he is promoting ecumenical with the Roman Catholic. And he said that the Lord was crucified on Wednesday and not on Friday, and then he said the Lord resurrected on Saturday, not on Sunday. He usually encourages people to keep the Saturday as Sabbath day and worship on Saturday.
You can see there are a lot of different practices and doctrines in Christianity. His church leaders said,” I believe in truth, but I do not believe in absolute truth.” And he told me, “I believe in Trinity but I do not believe in one God.” So strange isn’t it. And they do not agree to worship as a church, but they wanted to worship in the home, they called this as a house church, everyone will be the priest. It is like the earlier church, Paul and Peter, they did worship at home.
I disagree with some of those strange new practices and doctrines, for me, circumcision is not needed for Christian, the Lord is our righteousness, by faith we receive the righteousness. The Holy Communion is better than the Passover. We need not keep the Passover. Pork is not so good, but it is not affecting our faith in the Lord. I am not anti-Semitic; anti-Israel, I believe they are chosen, I kept the Sunday as the Sabbath and worship on Sunday, not because of a Pagan Practice. I believe there is the absolute truth from the Bible because the Lord is the truth, we must believe in the truth. I cannot fully understand their church's doctrine, but they may have misinterpreted some truth. At some points in time, when there is loneliness, and troubles, I forget those differences, I also like to follow them to join with the Romans Catholic. Who cares? But I restraint my seat to follow them, there is a bigger doctrinal issue with the RC.
Because of these doctrinal stands, I become a dog again, barking. I had been looked down because the doctrines I observed. I am a separatist, they called me a heretic. They see me as a stranger, they dislike me because I smell like a dog, I also think like a dog, I am stink because of my doctrines and practices, we are different in many ways in Christianity. They went out to say bad report of our belief, and they see me like a stranger on the street, and they disturb our fellowship, they attack those come to our fellowship, and they kept spying and hurting our fellowship, keep on doing this from the beginning, they continue to stop people to come to our fellowship. But what I can say to them, I said to them, "brothers, please pray for us.”
The enemies had done a lot of things so that I can be chased away like a dog, their numbers are outnumbered us, they are richer 1000 times than me, they see me, “You are so poor, where is God’s blessing, how can you say God bless you.” I am poorer than them. And they are strong than me, they wanted me to disappear from the earth, daily I called on to the Lord, I have problems here, there, from outside and within, the biggest problem is me. And now, the hammer of the VPP is pounding on my head, VPP is like a knife keep on cutting my heart, something must be done, I can not bark louder, the theologians may no hear me, at least I still can write. There are difficulties in serving the Lord, but VPP brings us a big impact and hurt. We are different now compared with 10 years ago. Why? At least, I hope the theologian can see this, I hope the doctors will stop the hands in oppressing the member of the Body of Christ. We have differences in doctrine and practices, but I say again now, “Please pray for us.”
I had written many things about the VPP, I hope I can still live to see the goodness of the Lord on earth. The is very good I want. I am living like a stray dog, a dog has owner and home, so a dog is better than me, I am an outcast, an outlaw too, more than 10 years ago, I had been chased away because of defending the truth, no one will accept a creature like me. What I see the biggest problem is not you, the theologian, the doctors, the tongue speaker, but for me. The drive of the blog reach this point, I had to surrender, to the Lord, only the Lord can help me, and saved me. Amen. Please help me, I am a sinner, Lord, save me, I am weak, please strengthen me, Lord had mercy on me. I cannot help that theologian and doctors, the blog is only for a daily or memo. I hope I will recover soon. Helpless. In God, give thanks.
the fight did not end yet. I will bark, and bark, because of VPP, bark!
Paul cautions the believers to take heed of those false teachers: To write the same thing to you to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe; that is, the same things which I have already preached to you; as if he had said, "What has been presented to your ears shall be presented to your eyes: what I have spoken formerly shall now be written; to show that I am still of the same mind.’’ To me indeed is not grievous. Observe, Ministers must not think anything grievous to themselves which they have reason to believe is safe and edifying to the people. It is good for us often to hear the same truths, to revive the remembrance and strengthen the impression of things of importance. It is a wanton curiosity to desire always to hear some new thing. It is a needful caution he here gives: Beware of dogs. The prophet calls the false prophets dumb dogs (Isa. 56:10), to which the apostle here seems to refer. Dogs, for their malice against the faithful professors of the gospel of Christ, barking at them and biting them. They cried up good works in opposition to the faith of Christ; but Paul calls them evil workers: they boasted themselves to be of the circumcision; but he calls them the concision: they rent and tore the church of Christ, and cut it to pieces; or contended for an abolished rite, a mere insignificant cutting of the flesh. He describes true Christians, who are indeed the circumcision, the spiritual circumcision, the peculiar of people of God, who are in covenant with him, as the Old-Testament Israelites were: We are the circumcision, who worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
A song for a barking dog…
I am treated like a dog,
I am a dog? a chained and bitten dog,
Why, because I am barking like a dog,
So they called me, a fierce dog,
And an evil worker, go away, go away,
When I said the bad things
about the theologians and doctors,
I am chased away like a dog, like a dog,
and begging like a stray dog,
no mercy for a stray dog,
They wanted to see another dog
come and lick my blood, lick my blood,
ha..ha..ha..ha.......
A dead lion is better than me, a stray dog..
There is a lot of UNChristian happening on this side of the earth,
Judgment must come to this coast.
When I said I am wrong,
forgive me, and I said, “I am punished,”
They said to warn me,
“If you touched me, I will touch you.”
And they send good tiding to me,
“I kill you”, “I kill you.”
When I said VPP is wrong,
They said to me, “You are finished.”
the theologians said, “You cannot serve the Lord !”
Even, I said anything now,
I am punished,
Now, I am like a dog barking for justice,
But I am punished for this also.
“No, you cannot be the son of God.” the theologian proclaimed,
They said this because they are holier than thou,
“you are wicked,”
said the elders,
the theologians,
the doctors.
7.7.08
Early manuscripts
The early New Testament manuscripts can be classified into certain major families or types of text. A "text-type" is the name given to a family of texts with a common ancestor. It must be noted that many early manuscripts can be composed of several different text-types. For example, Codex Washingtonianus consists of only the four gospels, and yet, different parts are written in different text-types. Four distinctive New Testament text-types have been defined:
The Alexandrian text-type is usually considered the best and most faithful at preserving the original; it is usually brief and austere. The main examples are the Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and Bodmer Papyri.
The Western text-type has a fondness for paraphrase and is generally the longest. Most significant is the Western version of Acts, which is 10% longer. The main examples are the Codex Bezae, Codex Claromontanus, Codex Washingtonianus, Old Latin versions (prior to the Vulgate), and quotes by Marcion, Tatian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Cyprian.
The Caesarean text-type is a mixture of Western and Alexandrian types and is found in the Chester Beatty Papyri and is quoted by Eusebius, Cyril of Jerusalem and Armenians.
The Byzantine text-type is the text from that is contained in a majority of the extant manuscripts and thus is often called the "Majority Text." The origin of this text is debated among scholars. Some scholars, observing that few Byzantine readings exist among early uncial manuscript witnesses, contend that the text formed late and contains conflated readings. Other scholars look to the shear number of consistent witnesses to the Byzantine textform, and the existence of readings which parallel the Byzantine textform in very early translations, as evidence that the Byzantine textform is probably the closest text to that originally penned by the New Testament authors. The Byzantine textform can be found in the Gospels of Codex Alexandrinus, later uncial texts and most minuscule texts. A variant of the Byzantine text, called the Textus Receptus, is the basis of Erasmus's printed Greek New Testament of 1516, which became the basis of the 1611 King James Version of the English New Testament.
Most modern English versions of the New Testament are based on critical reconstructions of the Greek text, such as the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament or Nestle-Alands' Novum Testamentum Graece, which have a pronounced Alexandrian character.
圣经旁注
圣经旁注
你撇下的孤儿，我必保全他们的命，你的寡妇可以倚靠我（《耶》49∶11）圣经是神为每个人预备的话语，有些话可能在你看来是平淡的，但对另一位读者，却非常重要，而且影响极其重大。
慕迪的家是很贫穷的，他的母亲是个寡妇，独力照顾九个小孩，这担子是多麽沉重呢？邻人对她说∶“九个孩子太难负担，送几个给别人吧。”这个劝告当然很合理，可是做母亲的怎能舍得分离呢！把孩子送去给谁呢？把哪一个送人呢？再没有比这种情况更凄凉的了。
有一天，孩子们都睡了，她大哭起来。後来，她把丈夫送给她的圣经打开，她的眼睛触及一节经文“你撇下的孤儿，我必保全他们的命，你的寡妇可以倚靠我”，这是《耶利米书》49章11节的话，正适合她心中的需要，读後得到无限的安慰，她就在这节圣经旁边写下这些话∶“神啊！我知道这些孩子是你所赐的，我若尽母亲的责任，我知道你必做他们的父亲。”
神的话成了有力的鼓励，使她有勇气在百般艰苦中把孩子们抚养成人。而在她薰陶中长成的第六个孩子──慕迪，竟是神所重用的工人，举世闻名的伟大布道家。
death
Once to die,
every man will die once in a lifetime,
so, have no fear for our death,
if we fear death,
then we will have many deaths in our life.
Prepared to die once and for all for the Lord Jesus Christ,
When we died, we will be with Him, that is better,
If we stay, we will preach Christ.
The poorer I am,
I must ask for more faith, the richer I became.
every man will die once in a lifetime,
so, have no fear for our death,
if we fear death,
then we will have many deaths in our life.
Prepared to die once and for all for the Lord Jesus Christ,
When we died, we will be with Him, that is better,
If we stay, we will preach Christ.
The poorer I am,
I must ask for more faith, the richer I became.
A Statement from the Board of Elders
A Statement from the Board of Elders on Decoupling from FEBC:
On 25 January 2008 (see http://www.lifebpc.com/ourstand/stmtrelations.htm ) the Board of Elders had made a statement declaring that: "Life BP Church will request FEBC to give an undertaking that they will not promote the VPP doctrine in our premises; otherwise we will have to ask the college to vacate the premises. Please pray that the Lord will grant us an amicable resolution in the coming months."
On 28 January 2008 we requested the College to give the abovementioned undertaking by 15 February 2008 and stated: "…In the event that the College is not prepared to give us the said undertaking, we regret that the continued use of our Premises would be unedifying to our members and we would require the College to vacate and deliver vacant possession of the Premises to the Church by 30 June 2008. The parsonage will remain available to Rev (Dr) Timothy Tow, the founding Pastor."
On 12 February 2008 the College responded by claiming that the properties at 9 and 9A Gilstead Road are owned by both Life BPC and FEBC and proposing that "a mediatorial meeting be convened between Life BPC and FEBC so that an amicable solution could be arrived at to the satisfaction of both parties…"
On 1 March 2008 we wrote to reject this claim of co-ownership, and replied that the conciliatory meeting cannot take place unless the College rightfully recognizes that the Church has sole legal ownership of the premises. As the deadline for giving the written undertaking had passed, the College had clearly rejected our attempt to accommodate them. We therefore sent a letter requesting the College to vacate the premises by 30 June 2008.
On 16 June 2008, the College sent a letter in which they stated that they are intent on staying put on the premises. In that letter, they misapplied "The inexorable law of filial piety and of ancient landmarks" against the Church (see the preceding article, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth for a proper perspective based on Scripture).
The College also made plans to continue its promotion of the VPP heresy in our Church premises. The registration form for its night classes for July to November 2008 includes the following in the course synopsis: "...The importance of studying the Westminster Standards cannot be emphasised enough. Of the utmost importance is the fundamental doctrine of the Holy Scriptures which forms the basis for every other doctrine of the Christian Faith. Learn about the Verbal Plenary Inspiration and Verbal Plenary Preservation of the Holy Scriptures of which the Westminster Confession of Faith has much to say."
In view of the above, Life B-P Church will decouple from FEBC and commence action to recover possession of the part of the Church Premises used by the College. As of 1 July 2008 FEBC ceased to have our permission to remain on or use the Church premises.
—The Board of Elders of Life B-P Church, 6th July 2008
On 25 January 2008 (see http://www.lifebpc.com/ourstand/stmtrelations.htm ) the Board of Elders had made a statement declaring that: "Life BP Church will request FEBC to give an undertaking that they will not promote the VPP doctrine in our premises; otherwise we will have to ask the college to vacate the premises. Please pray that the Lord will grant us an amicable resolution in the coming months."
On 28 January 2008 we requested the College to give the abovementioned undertaking by 15 February 2008 and stated: "…In the event that the College is not prepared to give us the said undertaking, we regret that the continued use of our Premises would be unedifying to our members and we would require the College to vacate and deliver vacant possession of the Premises to the Church by 30 June 2008. The parsonage will remain available to Rev (Dr) Timothy Tow, the founding Pastor."
On 12 February 2008 the College responded by claiming that the properties at 9 and 9A Gilstead Road are owned by both Life BPC and FEBC and proposing that "a mediatorial meeting be convened between Life BPC and FEBC so that an amicable solution could be arrived at to the satisfaction of both parties…"
On 1 March 2008 we wrote to reject this claim of co-ownership, and replied that the conciliatory meeting cannot take place unless the College rightfully recognizes that the Church has sole legal ownership of the premises. As the deadline for giving the written undertaking had passed, the College had clearly rejected our attempt to accommodate them. We therefore sent a letter requesting the College to vacate the premises by 30 June 2008.
On 16 June 2008, the College sent a letter in which they stated that they are intent on staying put on the premises. In that letter, they misapplied "The inexorable law of filial piety and of ancient landmarks" against the Church (see the preceding article, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth for a proper perspective based on Scripture).
The College also made plans to continue its promotion of the VPP heresy in our Church premises. The registration form for its night classes for July to November 2008 includes the following in the course synopsis: "...The importance of studying the Westminster Standards cannot be emphasised enough. Of the utmost importance is the fundamental doctrine of the Holy Scriptures which forms the basis for every other doctrine of the Christian Faith. Learn about the Verbal Plenary Inspiration and Verbal Plenary Preservation of the Holy Scriptures of which the Westminster Confession of Faith has much to say."
In view of the above, Life B-P Church will decouple from FEBC and commence action to recover possession of the part of the Church Premises used by the College. As of 1 July 2008 FEBC ceased to have our permission to remain on or use the Church premises.
—The Board of Elders of Life B-P Church, 6th July 2008
6.7.08
The message
Those who said, “It was never an issue of translations but source!” they are overlooking the problem.
Why you wanted to dig up the past. What is the source? You mean the underlying TEXTS?
Presently No one knows where are the original texts are and no one sees the original TEXTS before. The Autograph is lost. What we have is the not the source. They are the copies, the mss. We have the copies.
It is not about the 2 teams of The Byzantine Texts versus the Alexandrian Texts. I personally do not agree on this kind of argument. Even, we had 2 teams of texts, there are not one single mss from either team, to be lifted up as the perfect one, all the scholars for all these years, from the earlier until today, no one dares to claim one single Bible to be the perfect Bible, not even the KJV translator themselves! No one in the past dares to claim single TR is the perfect NT. No single mss is the perfect mss.
TR also is not perfect, because it is the compilation of MSS, with various variants and differences, no 2 MSS is identically the same. So there is no such perfect TR, this is telling lies, to say the text underlying KJV is perfect.
Furthermore,
There is no perfect translation, understand this well. KJV is not perfect.
VPP is only a hypothesis. HYPOTHESIS! A belief?
What is the real argument then?
We must agree.
God only wrote one Perfect Bible. OT in Hebrew and NT is in Greek.
There are many faithful translations.
You see, no matter what language of the Bible is, the gospel message still is the same. The same Lord, no another Lord. Hebrew Bible and Greek Bible are preaching the same Lord, not 2 Lords, please understand this well. OT and NT preached the same Lord.
Is there any Apostle claiming that OT is better than NT, just because OT was written in Hebrew, since Hebrew is for a Jew, and most of the Apostles are Jew, no one claim superiority of the OT because of the language. They were opened and prepared for a new language to be used in writing the Word of God, this is the work of the Holy Spirit, another language was used, and Greek was chosen. You see here is the freedom. Not bondage of language. They were not the slave for languages, they are not under Jew or Greek, they are under the Lord, what is the message, about the Lord or not is the most important matter. What language they are going to use is the secondary matter, it not as important as the message. They did not at least quarrel for the languages used in the Bible like those theologians did. The Apostle agreed for a change, for Greek, why not?
All the Apostle agreed to use the Greek, because Greek is the language for the marketplace, so they are agreed and accepted the fact God’s Word to be written in Greek, they did not argue for the new language, even though Greek is not their mother tongue, the Hebrew is, the Apostle just have to follow God’s will, the Apostle was inspired to write in Greek, that’s all. The Apostle followed the leading of the Holy Spirit. No argument about the choices of languages. In 1 Corinthian 14, Paul allowed the Corinthians to interpret the message into understandable language, so Paul did not see that Greek is superior neither. The message is more important as Paul sees it fit. Paul did not require perfect interpretation either. Paul asked themselves to discern the message themselves.
Likewise, we should not claim the superiority of the Bible Version due to its language used, KJV is not better because it is written in Old English. It is harsh to say this. There must be a change. Why not? I can say that God may use modern English to make His message clearer to the people in the marketplace. Nothing wrong about this. Paul allowed the church to interpret, there was no such thing called perfect interpretation in the Corinthian Church, understand this as well. Paul preaches Christ with many languages, every time every moment.
How wrong it is, one to judge the Bible versions according to the wording, according to the language used, and claim superiority of the Old English over the Modern English. Asked the theologian, you see, how they answer me, I said again, No one writes any Theological Thesis or paper in Old English anymore in 2008, if he insists to do that, I will call him, this is out of theme, everyone must write his theological paper in Modern English, plain English. So that people may understand his thesis when the thesis is read publicly.
VPP is the wrong kind of mentality, wrong perception, that the old English is better than the new, and they blindly believe the Bible is perfectly preserved only in the OLD Hebrew, OLD Greek, OLD English, God can erase the OLD English, and He may want His message to be written and translated in Modern English, Modern Chinese, Modern Malay, if God wants to use understandable languages, rather than those Old English. I had made a point here. God may use Modern ENGLISH. The message still is the same. God preserved His message perfectly. Why not?
Modern English is the language of the modern world made this is the best example to illustrate the doctrine of VPP is wrong. VPP looking back for OLD English, promoting TR. VPP is wrong. But the people need Modern Bible in, understandable, daily speaking languages.
So VPP proponent is wrong in promoting OLD ENGLISH AND pursuing THE perfect UNDERLYING TEXT, there is no perfection in a language, the language changed from time to time, even the OLD GREEK, the fact is KJV is not the most faithful translation also. So why you wanted to claim its superiority over the other translation? Why wasting your time in digging the underlying TEXTS, to split the congregation, because of a linguistic problem, by asking the question like Bible is perfect or not, which Bible is superb, which is not? There is another thing else, what I want you to drive for is, is the message, preaching to the world with the TR or not, if not please keep quiet, let the freedom speak. Why not? let us preach the message with the understandable languages like most of the churches do. Let's use modern English, as simple as possible.
Without this, faith, it is impossible to please God. I believe God’s message is contained perfectly in the Bible, needed to preach to us, so that is why we must be faithful to preach the message.
May God help us and keep us faithful to Him and His perfect Word till Christ’s return. Amen.
Lastly, asked the theologian, you want the people to understand the message or not. If you want, use the language that the people understand, and do not use the unknown or the old time English, use better translation, 2 or 3 translations can be used at the same time for comparison, see that 2 or 3 prophets were allowed to speak at one occasion, they were also allowed to speak one by one, and other listen, for comparison, for discernment, there was no such perfectly prepared interpretation in Corinthians, Paul wrote in Corinthian 14:26, “Everything be constructive and edifying and for the good of all……..let the number be limited to two or at the most three…………and taking turn……let one interpret and explain…….let 2 or 3 prophets speak, while the rest pay attention, and weigh and discern what is said……if an inspired revelation comes…..let other be silent…..all for stimulation an encouragement…..Paul here allowed 2 or 3 people speak and one for interpretations, Paul did not asked them for Perfect interpretations, Paul just asked them weigh and discern the message. Correct me, if I am wrong.
ion
What is the source ? Not the Bible, not the TR, not the underlying TEXTS, not the Apostles, but God is the source… (1 Corinthian 14:33), is not the God of confusion and disorder but of peace and order.
The underlying texts are not the source of truth, the underlying text TR bring us confusions. Why the theologian still turns backward to the original language and quarrel about translations and Bible version, that is a very old story. Paul said he knew nothing except Christ, crucified, after all the debates and splits, do you see more people believe in Christ or more people confused about Christianity? The answer is, confused. So churches split, no peace and order.
Some dislike the KJV on the grounds that its English belongs to the 17th century and is archaic. God did write one perfect Bible, but it is not in old English KJV, understand this, God wanted His people to understand His Message, from Hebrew it turns to Greek, From Greek it turns to Old English, and naturally from Old English, the Bible must turn into New Modern English, listen, the message is still the same, the Gospel message is still the same. There must be the change, why not.
The Bible is not a book for man mainly to study languages, and argue about the TEXTS, and that is not the main purpose. The purpose of the Bible is to lead men to Christ, you see God had used many of the languages, Hebrew, Greek, Old English, for sure, He will also use modern English, by faith I believe I had the Bible with me, the same, message preached by Paul, I had received the message, how about you, this is the most important point the theologian missed and messed up with.
I write in plain language as simple as I can, hope you understand. Do not argue with me, about the language I used here. The message, the message is more important.
From,
me,
Balaam the Stupid
Why you wanted to dig up the past. What is the source? You mean the underlying TEXTS?
Presently No one knows where are the original texts are and no one sees the original TEXTS before. The Autograph is lost. What we have is the not the source. They are the copies, the mss. We have the copies.
It is not about the 2 teams of The Byzantine Texts versus the Alexandrian Texts. I personally do not agree on this kind of argument. Even, we had 2 teams of texts, there are not one single mss from either team, to be lifted up as the perfect one, all the scholars for all these years, from the earlier until today, no one dares to claim one single Bible to be the perfect Bible, not even the KJV translator themselves! No one in the past dares to claim single TR is the perfect NT. No single mss is the perfect mss.
TR also is not perfect, because it is the compilation of MSS, with various variants and differences, no 2 MSS is identically the same. So there is no such perfect TR, this is telling lies, to say the text underlying KJV is perfect.
Furthermore,
There is no perfect translation, understand this well. KJV is not perfect.
VPP is only a hypothesis. HYPOTHESIS! A belief?
What is the real argument then?
We must agree.
God only wrote one Perfect Bible. OT in Hebrew and NT is in Greek.
There are many faithful translations.
You see, no matter what language of the Bible is, the gospel message still is the same. The same Lord, no another Lord. Hebrew Bible and Greek Bible are preaching the same Lord, not 2 Lords, please understand this well. OT and NT preached the same Lord.
Is there any Apostle claiming that OT is better than NT, just because OT was written in Hebrew, since Hebrew is for a Jew, and most of the Apostles are Jew, no one claim superiority of the OT because of the language. They were opened and prepared for a new language to be used in writing the Word of God, this is the work of the Holy Spirit, another language was used, and Greek was chosen. You see here is the freedom. Not bondage of language. They were not the slave for languages, they are not under Jew or Greek, they are under the Lord, what is the message, about the Lord or not is the most important matter. What language they are going to use is the secondary matter, it not as important as the message. They did not at least quarrel for the languages used in the Bible like those theologians did. The Apostle agreed for a change, for Greek, why not?
All the Apostle agreed to use the Greek, because Greek is the language for the marketplace, so they are agreed and accepted the fact God’s Word to be written in Greek, they did not argue for the new language, even though Greek is not their mother tongue, the Hebrew is, the Apostle just have to follow God’s will, the Apostle was inspired to write in Greek, that’s all. The Apostle followed the leading of the Holy Spirit. No argument about the choices of languages. In 1 Corinthian 14, Paul allowed the Corinthians to interpret the message into understandable language, so Paul did not see that Greek is superior neither. The message is more important as Paul sees it fit. Paul did not require perfect interpretation either. Paul asked themselves to discern the message themselves.
Likewise, we should not claim the superiority of the Bible Version due to its language used, KJV is not better because it is written in Old English. It is harsh to say this. There must be a change. Why not? I can say that God may use modern English to make His message clearer to the people in the marketplace. Nothing wrong about this. Paul allowed the church to interpret, there was no such thing called perfect interpretation in the Corinthian Church, understand this as well. Paul preaches Christ with many languages, every time every moment.
How wrong it is, one to judge the Bible versions according to the wording, according to the language used, and claim superiority of the Old English over the Modern English. Asked the theologian, you see, how they answer me, I said again, No one writes any Theological Thesis or paper in Old English anymore in 2008, if he insists to do that, I will call him, this is out of theme, everyone must write his theological paper in Modern English, plain English. So that people may understand his thesis when the thesis is read publicly.
VPP is the wrong kind of mentality, wrong perception, that the old English is better than the new, and they blindly believe the Bible is perfectly preserved only in the OLD Hebrew, OLD Greek, OLD English, God can erase the OLD English, and He may want His message to be written and translated in Modern English, Modern Chinese, Modern Malay, if God wants to use understandable languages, rather than those Old English. I had made a point here. God may use Modern ENGLISH. The message still is the same. God preserved His message perfectly. Why not?
Modern English is the language of the modern world made this is the best example to illustrate the doctrine of VPP is wrong. VPP looking back for OLD English, promoting TR. VPP is wrong. But the people need Modern Bible in, understandable, daily speaking languages.
So VPP proponent is wrong in promoting OLD ENGLISH AND pursuing THE perfect UNDERLYING TEXT, there is no perfection in a language, the language changed from time to time, even the OLD GREEK, the fact is KJV is not the most faithful translation also. So why you wanted to claim its superiority over the other translation? Why wasting your time in digging the underlying TEXTS, to split the congregation, because of a linguistic problem, by asking the question like Bible is perfect or not, which Bible is superb, which is not? There is another thing else, what I want you to drive for is, is the message, preaching to the world with the TR or not, if not please keep quiet, let the freedom speak. Why not? let us preach the message with the understandable languages like most of the churches do. Let's use modern English, as simple as possible.
Without this, faith, it is impossible to please God. I believe God’s message is contained perfectly in the Bible, needed to preach to us, so that is why we must be faithful to preach the message.
May God help us and keep us faithful to Him and His perfect Word till Christ’s return. Amen.
Lastly, asked the theologian, you want the people to understand the message or not. If you want, use the language that the people understand, and do not use the unknown or the old time English, use better translation, 2 or 3 translations can be used at the same time for comparison, see that 2 or 3 prophets were allowed to speak at one occasion, they were also allowed to speak one by one, and other listen, for comparison, for discernment, there was no such perfectly prepared interpretation in Corinthians, Paul wrote in Corinthian 14:26, “Everything be constructive and edifying and for the good of all……..let the number be limited to two or at the most three…………and taking turn……let one interpret and explain…….let 2 or 3 prophets speak, while the rest pay attention, and weigh and discern what is said……if an inspired revelation comes…..let other be silent…..all for stimulation an encouragement…..Paul here allowed 2 or 3 people speak and one for interpretations, Paul did not asked them for Perfect interpretations, Paul just asked them weigh and discern the message. Correct me, if I am wrong.
ion
What is the source ? Not the Bible, not the TR, not the underlying TEXTS, not the Apostles, but God is the source… (1 Corinthian 14:33), is not the God of confusion and disorder but of peace and order.
The underlying texts are not the source of truth, the underlying text TR bring us confusions. Why the theologian still turns backward to the original language and quarrel about translations and Bible version, that is a very old story. Paul said he knew nothing except Christ, crucified, after all the debates and splits, do you see more people believe in Christ or more people confused about Christianity? The answer is, confused. So churches split, no peace and order.
Some dislike the KJV on the grounds that its English belongs to the 17th century and is archaic. God did write one perfect Bible, but it is not in old English KJV, understand this, God wanted His people to understand His Message, from Hebrew it turns to Greek, From Greek it turns to Old English, and naturally from Old English, the Bible must turn into New Modern English, listen, the message is still the same, the Gospel message is still the same. There must be the change, why not.
The Bible is not a book for man mainly to study languages, and argue about the TEXTS, and that is not the main purpose. The purpose of the Bible is to lead men to Christ, you see God had used many of the languages, Hebrew, Greek, Old English, for sure, He will also use modern English, by faith I believe I had the Bible with me, the same, message preached by Paul, I had received the message, how about you, this is the most important point the theologian missed and messed up with.
I write in plain language as simple as I can, hope you understand. Do not argue with me, about the language I used here. The message, the message is more important.
From,
me,
Balaam the Stupid
5.7.08
Jehovah Witness
These few years, Jehovah Witness is attacking the neighborhood.
They purposefully targeting our church members.
Another blow to our ministry.
May God preserved the brethren in Christ.
May God give the unbeliever the truth about the Saviour Jesus Christ, our God, and our Lord.
May God lead us, and protect us,
This is my most important request to Father in Heaven, in my life.
They purposefully targeting our church members.
Another blow to our ministry.
May God preserved the brethren in Christ.
May God give the unbeliever the truth about the Saviour Jesus Christ, our God, and our Lord.
May God lead us, and protect us,
This is my most important request to Father in Heaven, in my life.
5000 mss
5000 mss
Hand-copied manuscripts were prone to unintentional slips of the pen by scribes. Thus, no two manuscripts (mss) are identical. .understand this, firstly. the scribes would on occasion make variant spellings or unintentionally leave out a word. There also were other discernable types of scribal variants. There are literally thousands of New Testament manuscripts and because no two of them are exactly alike, remember this, and No one in the past, attack any of those 5000 mss, even though they are not exactly alike. No one claims perfection in any one of them, or despise any one of them. Erasmus did not claim perfect in his mss, and also in his translation, or compilation of his mss. We must accept those differences in 5000 mss. No man has the right to judge which mss is preserved, which is not. Every one of the mss is preserved.
Likewise:
No man has the right to judge which Bible is accurate and which is the preserved one. Since no two manuscripts are identical. Bibles that are different are not the same. KJV is not NIV, and NIV is not KJV, they are differences here and there, and you must accept them, both of the Bible preach Christ or not, this is the more important question. Why VPP theologian prone to attack those who read the Bibles, and put doubts in us? Let show you KJV is not perfect!
No man has the right to judge which Bible is accurate and which is the preserved one. Since no two manuscripts are identical. Bibles that are different are not the same. KJV is not NIV, and NIV is not KJV, they are differences here and there, and you must accept them, both of the Bible preach Christ or not, this is the more important question. Why VPP theologian prone to attack those who read the Bibles, and put doubts in us? Let show you KJV is not perfect!
The Errors in KJV, one of them.
Romans 8:16. In this verse, the King James Bible refers to the Holy Spirit of God as an "it." KJV Only advocates defend this degrading mistranslation as indicated: Actually, the KJV translators correctly translated the Greek word at this point. Here, the word was neuter in Greek and "it" correctly rendered the thought. People today try rather impose interpretation rather than accurate translation. Strictly speaking, the exact and literal translation is what the KING JAMES translation has, "itself." … So, "Spirit itself" is what is actually in the Greek language. … That would not be considered a translation error because that is exactly what it says. This is not "exact and literal" translation. It is FOOLISHNESS of the most ridiculous sort. The defense of the KJV here is born of desperation, not of sound linguistic understanding. It is also misleading in a technical discussion to say "’Spirit itself’ is what is actually in the Greek language." No, in the Greek language it actually says, "auto to pneuma." Anyone with even an elementary knowledge of linguistics knows that there is not a one-to-one correspondence between words in two different languages. In no case does an English word "equal" a Greek word. The correct observation is that in a given context, a particular Greek word may be correctly translated by a particular English word. So the Greek "auto" is not equal to the English "it." In some contexts, "it" would be a proper translation of "auto," but in others (such as Romans 8:16), "it" is a disastrous mistranslation. In translating a particular Greek word into English, no one should imagine that the gender of the English construction is automatically determined by the gender of the Greek. Any number of examples can be given to easily prove this beyond all contention. To say otherwise is not scholarly, it is silly. Although the Greek word for "demon" ("devil" in the KJV) is a neuter noun, in its "exact and literal" translation, the KJV calls a demon "he": Luke 4:35: "And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not." So the Holy Spirit (a neuter noun) is an "it" while a demon (a neuter noun) is a "he." Should we honestly believe this is the English Bible at its best? No, this is an error, and perhaps the most serious one in the KJV
Conclusion
While every believing student desires perfect certainly concerning every word of the New Testament, such certainty is not available. We cannot find any perfect TR. Textus Receptus needs correction, it is not perfect. Understand this as last?
While every believing student desires perfect certainly concerning every word of the New Testament, such certainty is not available. We cannot find any perfect TR. Textus Receptus needs correction, it is not perfect. Understand this as last?
Enough is enough.
Read this forum:
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3.7.08
4 Gospels
Why 4 Gospels ?
Justin Martyr (c. 155) in 1 Apology 66 wrote: "...the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels". Irenaeus was ultimately successful in declaring that the four gospels collectively, and exclusively these four, contained the truth. By reading each gospel in light of the others, Irenaeus made of John a lens through which to read Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The four gospels present different narratives, reflecting different intents on the parts of their authors. You can see the last gospel, the gospel of John, presents a very different picture of Jesus and his ministry from the Synoptics.
4 difference wordings
In the 4 Gospel, 4 difference wordings used to record the same events. Ninety-one percent of Mark's content is found in Matthew, and fifty-three percent of Mark is found in Luke. The wording in the 4 Gospels is not 100% identically same.
Synoptic problem
The synoptic problem concerns how this interrelation came to be and the nature of the interrelationship itself. Any solution must account for the similarities and differences in content, order, and wording. The VPP theologian does not explain this to you, they are ignorant about the Synoptic Problem.
The comparison for the feeding of the 5 thousand is taken for study:
Matthew 14:13-21 (King James Version)
13When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities.
14And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed they're sick.
15And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.
16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
18He said, Bring them hither to me.
19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples and the disciples to the multitude.
20And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.
21And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.
Mark 6:30-44 (King James Version)
30And the apostles gathered themselves together unto Jesus, and told him all things, both what they had done, and what they had taught.
31And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: for there were many coming and going, and they had no leisure so much as to eat.
32And they departed into a desert place by ship privately.
33And the people saw them departing, and many knew him, and ran afoot thither out of all cities, and outwent them, and came together unto him.
34And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.
35And when the day was now far spent, his disciples came unto him, and said, This is a desert place, and now the time is far passed:
36Send them away, that they may go into the country round about, and into the villages, and buy themselves bread: for they have nothing to eat.
37He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworths of bread, and give them to eat?
38He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.
39And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass.
40And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties.
41And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided him among them all.
42And they did all eat and were filled.
43And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes.
44And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men.
Luke 9:10-17 (King James Version)
10And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
11And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
12And when the day began to wear away, then came the twelve, and said unto him, Send the multitude away, that they may go into the towns and country round about, and lodge, and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.
13But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all these people.
14For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a company.
15And they did so and made them all sit down.
16Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
17And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.
John 6
1After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
2And a great multitude followed him because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
3And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
4And the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
5When Jesus then lifted up his eyes and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
6And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
7Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
8One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
9There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
10And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
11And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
12When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
13Therefore they gathered them together and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
14Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Please made comparison about the wordings, 4 gospel writers used 4 different kinds of wording to record the same event. Nothing wrong about. The meaning is more important than just the wordings. Paul did not attack any of the Book of Gospels, or the Gospel writers because of the wording, or did he attack any other NT writer because of wording in the New Testament? Which is more important, the wording or the meaning? Asked Paul, what did he say. Tell, me. He said, "all scripture is God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16).
The twentieth century has seen many new translations of the Bible. More than 70 new versions have been produced since 1948. These newer versions have the advantage of being based on more extensive manuscript evidence and contain more modern language which is more easily understood by current readers. The most widely used of these newer versions is the New International Version (NIV), first released in 1978. Ask that VPP theologian, so many bible version, which is more important, wordings or the meaning?
Remember this:
For the writers of the Gospel ACCOUNTS, HE, the living Lord of the church, is the only one who is important.
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Justin Martyr (c. 155) in 1 Apology 66 wrote: "...the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels". Irenaeus was ultimately successful in declaring that the four gospels collectively, and exclusively these four, contained the truth. By reading each gospel in light of the others, Irenaeus made of John a lens through which to read Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The four gospels present different narratives, reflecting different intents on the parts of their authors. You can see the last gospel, the gospel of John, presents a very different picture of Jesus and his ministry from the Synoptics.
4 difference wordings
In the 4 Gospel, 4 difference wordings used to record the same events. Ninety-one percent of Mark's content is found in Matthew, and fifty-three percent of Mark is found in Luke. The wording in the 4 Gospels is not 100% identically same.
Synoptic problem
The synoptic problem concerns how this interrelation came to be and the nature of the interrelationship itself. Any solution must account for the similarities and differences in content, order, and wording. The VPP theologian does not explain this to you, they are ignorant about the Synoptic Problem.
The comparison for the feeding of the 5 thousand is taken for study:
Matthew 14:13-21 (King James Version)
13When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities.
14And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed they're sick.
15And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.
16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
18He said, Bring them hither to me.
19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples and the disciples to the multitude.
20And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.
21And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.
Mark 6:30-44 (King James Version)
30And the apostles gathered themselves together unto Jesus, and told him all things, both what they had done, and what they had taught.
31And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: for there were many coming and going, and they had no leisure so much as to eat.
32And they departed into a desert place by ship privately.
33And the people saw them departing, and many knew him, and ran afoot thither out of all cities, and outwent them, and came together unto him.
34And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.
35And when the day was now far spent, his disciples came unto him, and said, This is a desert place, and now the time is far passed:
36Send them away, that they may go into the country round about, and into the villages, and buy themselves bread: for they have nothing to eat.
37He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworths of bread, and give them to eat?
38He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.
39And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass.
40And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties.
41And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided him among them all.
42And they did all eat and were filled.
43And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes.
44And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men.
Luke 9:10-17 (King James Version)
10And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
11And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
12And when the day began to wear away, then came the twelve, and said unto him, Send the multitude away, that they may go into the towns and country round about, and lodge, and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.
13But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all these people.
14For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a company.
15And they did so and made them all sit down.
16Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
17And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.
John 6
1After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
2And a great multitude followed him because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
3And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
4And the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
5When Jesus then lifted up his eyes and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
6And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
7Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
8One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
9There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
10And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
11And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
12When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
13Therefore they gathered them together and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
14Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Please made comparison about the wordings, 4 gospel writers used 4 different kinds of wording to record the same event. Nothing wrong about. The meaning is more important than just the wordings. Paul did not attack any of the Book of Gospels, or the Gospel writers because of the wording, or did he attack any other NT writer because of wording in the New Testament? Which is more important, the wording or the meaning? Asked Paul, what did he say. Tell, me. He said, "all scripture is God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16).
The twentieth century has seen many new translations of the Bible. More than 70 new versions have been produced since 1948. These newer versions have the advantage of being based on more extensive manuscript evidence and contain more modern language which is more easily understood by current readers. The most widely used of these newer versions is the New International Version (NIV), first released in 1978. Ask that VPP theologian, so many bible version, which is more important, wordings or the meaning?
Remember this:
For the writers of the Gospel ACCOUNTS, HE, the living Lord of the church, is the only one who is important.
I had put a smiling face at the bottom of the blog. Look!
2.7.08
5 reminders
1. In everything give thanks. Our thanksgivings.
2. Love is the greatest, greater than truth and hope. God is love. God loves us. He is Our Love. Agape.
3. Bible is a principal means for God to promote salvation in the world. Our Bible.
4. We are One in Christ. Our hope.
5. Pray for forgiveness and protections. Our prayers.
2. Love is the greatest, greater than truth and hope. God is love. God loves us. He is Our Love. Agape.
3. Bible is a principal means for God to promote salvation in the world. Our Bible.
4. We are One in Christ. Our hope.
5. Pray for forgiveness and protections. Our prayers.
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