Refuting the Claim that NIV is Not a Faith Bible Translation

The claim that the NIV is not a faith Bible translation is often based on misunderstandings about the nature of translation and the role of faith in biblical interpretation.

Luke's Approach to Quotation:

As I mentioned, Luke often paraphrases or adapts Old Testament passages to fit his narrative. This is a common practice in ancient literature, and it does not necessarily indicate a lack of faithfulness to the original text. In fact, Luke's approach can be seen as a form of theological interpretation, where he uses the Old Testament to support his own understanding of Jesus' life and mission.

The NIV's Approach to Translation:

The NIV, like other modern translations, aims to provide an accurate and readable rendering of the biblical text. While the NIV may differ in certain nuances from older translations, it is not inherently less faithful to the original text.

Key Factors in Bible Translation:

Accuracy: The primary goal of any Bible translation is to accurately convey the meaning of the original text. This involves careful consideration of the language, grammar, and cultural context of the original.

Readability: Modern translations aim to be readable and understandable to contemporary audiences. This often involves using language that is familiar and accessible.

Faithfulness: While different translations may have different emphases, all faithful translations seek to preserve the core message of the Bible.

Conclusion:

The claim that the NIV is not a faith Bible translation is unfounded. While the NIV may differ from older translations in certain respects, it is a faithful and accurate rendering of the biblical text. Luke's approach to quoting the Old Testament provides a model for how the Bible can be interpreted and applied in different contexts, while remaining true to its original meaning.

Paraphrased Bibles are not inherently wrong translations. Paraphrasing can be a valuable tool for understanding the Bible, especially for those who may struggle with the original language or who are new to the Bible.

Paraphrased Bibles are often designed to make the Bible more accessible and understandable to a wider audience. They can be helpful for people who are learning about the Bible for the first time or who may find the original language or style challenging.

While paraphrased Bibles may not always be verbatim translations, they should still strive to accurately convey the meaning of the original text. Good paraphrases will capture the essence of the original message without sacrificing its accuracy.

Paraphrased Bibles can be used in conjunction with more literal translations to gain a deeper understanding of the Bible. They can provide a different perspective or highlight key themes and concepts.

It's important to note that paraphrased Bibles should not be used as the sole source of biblical interpretation. They should be used in conjunction with more literal translations and with careful consideration of the context and meaning of the original text.

Paraphrased Bibles can be a valuable tool for understanding the Bible, but they should not be viewed as a substitute for more literal translations. When used appropriately, paraphrased Bibles can help to make the Bible more accessible and understandable to a wider audience.

I proposed to Bible-Presbyterian Church member, to have at least two Bible in every house, a ESV and a NIV, plus a NLT, forget about KJV for the time being. God bless you.

Old Testament quotes in the Gospel of Luke

Paraphrasing vs. Direct Quotation:

Luke often quotes the Old Testament directly, he also paraphrases or adapts passages to fit his narrative. This is a common practice in ancient literature, and it does not necessarily indicate a lack of accuracy or faithfulness to the original text.

OLD TESTAMENT QUOTES IN GOSPEL OF LUKE

Exodus 13:2

2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine. 

Exodus 13:12

12That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD’s. 

Luke 2:23

23(As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) 

Leviticus 5:11

11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering. 

Leviticus 12:8

8And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.

Luke 2:24

24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Isaiah 40:3–5

3The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, Make straight in the desert a highway for our God.4 Every valley shall be exalted, And every mountain and hill shall be made low: And the crooked shall be made straight, And the rough places plain: 5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, And all flesh shall see it together: For the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Luke 3:4–6

4As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; 6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God. 

Deuteronomy 8:3

3And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. 

Luke 4:4

4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 

Deuteronomy 6:13

13Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name. 

Luke 4:8

8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 

Psalm 91:11

11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, To keep thee in all thy ways.

Luke 4:10

10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 

Psalm 91:12

12They shall bear thee up in their hands, Lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Luke 4:11

11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 

Deuteronomy 6:16

16Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah. 

Luke 4:12

12And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 

Isaiah 61:1–2

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; Because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to them that are bound;2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all that mourn;

Luke 4:18–19

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 

Malachi 3:1

1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: And the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, Even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: Behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Luke 7:27

27This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 

Isaiah 6:9

9And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; And see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Luke 8:10

10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 

Deuteronomy 6:5

5And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 

Leviticus 19:18

18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Luke 10:27

27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 

Micah 7:6

6For the son dishonoureth the father, The daughter riseth up against her mother, The daughter in law against her mother in law; A man’s enemies are the men of his own house.

Luke 12:53

53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Psalm 118:26

26Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: We have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

Luke 13:35

35Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Exodus 20:12–16

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13Thou shalt not kill. 14Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15Thou shalt not steal. 16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 

Deuteronomy 5:16–20

16Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 17Thou shalt not kill. 18Neither shalt thou commit adultery. 19Neither shalt thou steal. 20Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. 

Luke 18:20

20Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 

Psalm 118:26

26Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: We have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

Luke 19:38

38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. 

Isaiah 56:7

7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, And make them joyful in my house of prayer: Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; For mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Jeremiah 7:11

11Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. 

Luke 19:46

46Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves. 

Psalm 118:22

22The stone which the builders refused Is become the head stone of the corner.

Luke 20:17

17And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 

Deuteronomy 25:5

5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband’s brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband’s brother unto her. 

Luke 20:28

28Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man’s brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 

Exodus 3:6

6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 

Exodus 3:15

15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. 

Luke 20:37

37Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 

Psalm 110:1

1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Luke 20:42–43

42And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 43Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 

Isaiah 53:12

12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the strong; Because he hath poured out his soul unto death: And he was numbered with the transgressors; And he bare the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.

Luke 22:37

37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 

Hosea 10:8

8The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: The thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; And they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; And to the hills, Fall on us.

Luke 23:30

30Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

 

Psalm 31:5

5Into thine hand I commit my spirit: Thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

Luke 23:46

46And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Luke - The Greek physician and Septuagint

Many researchers believe Luke was a physician from the Hellenistic city of Antioch in Ancient Syria, born into a Greek family, however some scholars and theologians believe he was a Hellenic Jew.

Luke's conscious and purposeful allusions, references, and citations from ancient Classical and Hellenistic Greek authors such as Homer, Aesop, Epimenides, Euripides, Plato, and Aratus show that he was conversant with authentic Greek literary texts. This knowledge was most likely derived from his experiences as a youth with the relatively homogenous Hellenistic educational curriculum (enkyklios paideia), which had been used for ages throughout the eastern Mediterranean.

Luke's Gospel is significant and multifaceted. As a physician and historian, Luke was likely well-versed in Greek culture and language. Being a physician, uses medical terminology and metaphors throughout his Gospel, reflecting his knowledge of Greek medicine. He employs various rhetorical devices, such as parallelism, chiasm, and anaphora, which are common in Greek literature. Luke's Gospel was likely intended for a Greek-speaking audience, as evidenced by his use of Greek language and cultural references. This suggests that he was trying to bridge the gap between Jewish and Gentile Christianity. His familiarity with Greek culture and language allowed him to present the Gospel in a way that was accessible and appealing to a wider audience, particularly those in the Hellenistic world.

My observation:

The period between the Second and First centuries BCE was crucial for the interaction between Greek culture and Jewish society, significantly shaping Jewish identity and religious thought. 

Many Jews began to speak Greek and adopt Greek names, blending their identity with the surrounding culture.

Greek philosophy, particularly Stoicism and Platonic thought, influenced Jewish thinkers. This is evident in the writings of Philo of Alexandria, who sought to harmonize Jewish theology with Greek philosophy, emphasizing the rationality of God and the importance of reason in understanding faith.

The Jewish community produced Greek-language texts during this period, most notably the Septuagint, a Greek translation of Hebrew scriptures. This not only made Jewish texts accessible to a broader audience but also reflected a blending of Jewish and Greek literary styles.

Evidence suggests that Luke’s exposure to the Septuagint significantly shaped his understanding of the Hebrew Bible, influencing both his theological framework and narrative style in the composition of his Gospel.

Luke frequently cites the Old Testament in his Gospel, often using phrases and wording that align closely with the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew text. This suggests that he relied on the LXX for scriptural references, as evidenced by his use of specific terms and phrases found in the Greek translation.

Moreover, Luke was writing for a predominantly Gentile audience, and his use of the Septuagint would have made the Jewish scriptures more accessible to non-Jewish readers. This strategic choice reflects his intent to bridge cultural and religious gaps, utilizing a translation familiar to his audience.

Do you want to write a thesis about this title: "The Septuagint and the Gospel of Luke: Why the English Bible is not perfect?"

The Greek language began to influence Jewish people during the Hellenistic period

Alexander the Great's conquests in the 4th century BCE led to the establishment of the Hellenistic kingdoms, which promoted Greek language and culture throughout their territories.

It is important to note that while Greek became a common language among Jewish people during the Hellenistic period, Hebrew remained the primary language of Jewish religious and cultural life. The Septuagint was primarily used by Jews who lived in Greek-speaking areas and by early Christians

Please view the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g62t2opS3g

MODELS OF JERUSALEM FROM 13 DIFFERENT PERIODS. 

1. MELCHIZEDEK

2. JEBUS

3. DAVID

4. SOLOMON

5. HEZEKIAH

6. DESTRUCTION

7. NEHEMIAH

8. GREEK

9. HEROD

10. DESTRUCTION 2

11. ROMAN

12. BYZANTIUM

13. ARAB

Was Jesus pursuing a perfect Bible at the time?

The Hebrew Bible, Septuagint, and Greek New Testament are interconnected texts that form the foundation of Christian and Jewish religious traditions.

Hebrew Bible:

The original text of the Jewish scriptures, written primarily in Hebrew (with some sections in Aramaic).

It is considered the most authoritative source of Jewish religious teachings.

It consists of three main parts: the Torah (five books of Moses), the Nevi'im (prophets), and the Ketuvim (writings).

Septuagint:

A Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, created in the 3rd century BCE.

It was commissioned by Ptolemy II Philadelphus, the ruler of Egypt.

The Septuagint became the primary text used by early Christians, as Greek was the lingua franca of the Roman Empire.

It includes additional books not found in the Hebrew Bible, known as the Deuterocanonical books.

Greek New Testament:

A collection of 27 books written in Greek, primarily in the 1st century CE.

It contains the Gospels (accounts of Jesus' life and teachings), the Acts of the Apostles (history of the early Christian church), the Epistles (letters written by Paul and other early Christian leaders), and the Revelation (a prophetic book).

The Greek New Testament is based on the Septuagint, as it was the primary source of scripture for early Christians.

It includes references to the Hebrew Bible and often quotes passages from it.

Q&A:

Why was the New Testament written in Greek, not Hebrew?

The primary reason the New Testament was written in Greek rather than Hebrew:

1. Greek as the Lingua Franca: In the 1st century CE, Greek had become the lingua franca of the Mediterranean region, especially among the Roman Empire. This made it a practical choice for communicating with a diverse audience.
2. Influence of the Septuagint: The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, was widely used by Jews and early Christians. This made Greek a familiar language for discussing biblical topics.

Are the Hebrew Bible and Septuagint free of errors?

No, neither the Hebrew Bible nor the Septuagint are perfect without error. Both texts have undergone a long history of transmission, copying, and translation, which has inevitably led to the introduction of variations and potential errors.

1. Human error: Scribes who copied the texts may have made mistakes, such as omissions, additions, or changes in wording.
2. Translation issues: The Septuagint, being a translation from Hebrew to Greek, may have introduced errors due to misunderstandings or differences in language and culture.
3. Textual variants: Over time, different versions of the text may have emerged, leading to textual variants that can be difficult to reconcile.

Despite these imperfections, both Hebrew Bible and the Septuagint are considered to be highly reliable sources of the biblical text. Scholars have spent centuries studying these texts and comparing them to other ancient manuscripts to identify and correct errors. While there may still be some uncertainties, the overall accuracy of these texts is generally accepted.

It's important to note that the study of textual criticism continues to be an active field of research, and new discoveries may lead to a better understanding of the original text.

Was Jesus pursuing a perfect Bible at the time? 

There is no explicit biblical proof that Jesus was actively pursuing such a thing.

The Bible itself is a collection of texts written over centuries by various authors, each with their own perspectives and styles. While Jesus certainly referred to the Hebrew Scriptures (the Old Testament) as authoritative, he didn't explicitly address the idea of a single, perfect version of the Bible.

Here are some relevant biblical passages to consider:

Matthew 5:17-18: Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will pass away from the Law until all has been accomplished." This suggests that Jesus valued the existing Scriptures, Jesus accepted the Old Testament in Hebrew and the Old Testament in Greek-Septuagint, but it doesn't imply a pursuit of a perfect version.   

John 14:26: Jesus promises the disciples, "The Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you." This suggests that the Holy Spirit would guide the early Christians in understanding and interpreting Scripture, but it doesn't imply a need for a perfect version.   

It's important to note that the concept of a "perfect Bible" is a relatively modern one. The early Christians did not have a single, unified canon of Scripture, and the process of canonization took place over several centuries. The focus was on understanding and interpreting the existing texts, rather than creating a perfect version.

In conclusion, there is no explicit biblical proof that Jesus was pursuing a perfect Bible in His time. While he valued the Hebrew Scriptures and emphasized their importance, he didn't address the idea of a single, perfect version. The focus was on understanding and interpreting the existing texts with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Do we have a perfect Bible now?

No, we do not have a perfect Bible now. While the Bible has been carefully preserved and transmitted over centuries, it is still a human document that has undergone a long history of translation, copying, and interpretation. As a result, there are variations and potential errors in the text.

Here are some reasons why we cannot say that we have a perfect Bible:

1. Human error: Scribes who copied the text may have made mistakes, such as omissions, additions, or changes in wording.
2. Translation issues: The Bible has been translated into many languages, and the process of translation can introduce errors or nuances that are not present in the original text.
3. Textual variants: Over time, different versions of the text may have emerged, leading to textual variants that can be difficult to reconcile.

Despite these imperfections, the Bible (Tanakh, Masoretic Text, Septuagint, TR, various Greek Manuscripts) is considered to be a highly reliable source of religious and historical information. Scholars have spent centuries studying the text and comparing different versions to identify and correct errors. While there may still be some uncertainties, the overall accuracy of the Bible is generally accepted.

It's important to remember that the Bible is a living document that continues to be studied and interpreted by people around the world. As our understanding of the text evolves, we may gain new insights into its meaning and significance.

My conclusion:

Because Jesus did not seek a perfect Bible in His time, He did not attack the Septuagint, He did not rebuke those who read the Septuagint, and the Jewish people had both the Hebrew Bible and the Septuagint, both are not perfect. I propose to Bible teachers at Far Eastern Bible College in Singapore not to act as if they are smarter than Jesus Christ our Lord by promoting a Perfect Greek Bible underlying the KJV and attacking those who read the NIV and ESV, as well as those who dislike the KJV.

While it is true that Jesus primarily used the Hebrew Bible, he did not explicitly condemn the Septuagint. It is important to note that Jesus' understanding of Scripture was rooted in his Jewish tradition, which primarily relied on the Hebrew Bible. His emphasis on the Hebrew Scriptures reflects the cultural and religious context of his time.

The fact is Jewish people had access to both the Hebrew Bible (OT) and the Septuagint (OT). I repeat, both are not perfect. The Septuagint was particularly valuable for Jewish communities living in Greek-speaking areas. The Hebrew Bible remained the primary source of authority for Jewish religious life.

I rebuke lecturers from Far Eastern Bible College for criticizing their students who read the NIV, ESV, or dislike the KJV. Teachers must critically examine various translations and interpretations of Scripture. Rather than pursuing a perfect Bible or a perfect Greek TR underlying the King James Version. Rather than dividing the One Body of Christ due to Bible versions. I am genuinely concerned that a Bible college may become a terrorist training camp for young men and women to attack those who disagree with their theological beliefs. 

I understood, it is important to foster respectful dialogue and avoid personal attacks, it is crucial for Bible teachers to engage in critical examination of different translations and interpretations of Scripture. I pray these so called "Bible teachers" in FEBC, to stop promoting the heresy of Verbal Plenary Preservation, and start to live in peace with one another.

Luke did not quote word by word from the Old Testament.

To demonstrate that the NT authors did not quote the OT word for word. I am going to give you an example.

When Luke was writing the book of Acts, he quoted Amos 9:11-12, but he did not quote the Old Testament verbatim. Please have a look.

Amos 9:11-12 (King James Version)

11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.

 

 Acts 15:16-18 (King James Version)

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Amos 9:11-12 (LXX) 

Septuagint in English

11 In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and will rebuild the ruins of it, and will set up the parts thereof that have been broken down, and will build it up as in the ancient days:

12 that the remnant of men, and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called, may earnestly seek , saith the Lord who does all these things.

LXX Amos 9:11-12

Septuagint/OT in Greek

11 ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἐκείνῃ ἀναστήσω τὴν σκηνὴν Δαυὶδ τὴν πεπτωκυῖαν καὶ ἀνοικοδομήσω τὰ πεπτωκότα αὐτῆς καὶ τὰ κατεσκαμμένα αὐτῆς ἀναστήσω καὶ ἀνοικοδομήσω αὐτὴν καθὼς αἱ ἡμέραι τοῦ αἰῶνος, 

12 ὅπως ἐκζητήσωσιν οἱ κατάλοιποι τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, ἐφ᾿ οὓς ἐπικέκληται τὸ ὄνομά μου ἐπ᾿ αὐτούς, λέγει Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ὁ ποιῶν πάντα ταῦτα.

My observation:

Amos 9:11-12 and Acts 15:16-18 aren’t word-for-word replicas. Luke paraphrases Amos to fit the context and message of the early Christian community. James is addressing the council about Gentiles being included in the church, using Amos’s prophecy to support his point. The focus is on the restoration and inclusion, even if the words aren’t an exact match. This exemplifies how Scripture can be adapted to convey timeless truths in different contexts. I assume Luke was quoting OT from LXX Septuagint. 

Müller argues that the LXX became the OT of the NT for the early church to an even greater extent than the Biblia Hebraica. He concludes, “For the New Testament authors, the original text, that is, the text they drew on, was primarily the Septuagint. (Müller, The First Bible of the Church, 116.)

Jobes wrote, "We cannot forget that the ancient Greek version of the Old Testament (Septuagint LXX) was nevertheless the Bible of the earliest Christian writers." (Jobes and Silva, Invitation to the Septuagint, 9.)

The Septuagint scholar Sidney Jellicoe wrote, “He who would read the New Testament must know Koiné; but he who would understand the New Testament must know the LXX.” (Sidney Jellicoe, “Septuagint Studies in the Current Century,” JBL 88 (1968): 199.)

 

My conclusion:

In term of choosing a good Bible Version. For academic study, go for word-for-word translations (like the New American Standard Bible) offer close adherence to original texts. But for everyday reading and application, thought-for-thought translations (like the NIV or New Living Translation) can be more accessible and engaging. Ultimately, the goal is to convey the essence of the message in a way that resonates and inspires. It's a balance between fidelity to the original and clarity for the modern reader. 

I hope we could come to conclusion that since Luke did not quote the Old Testament word for word, not word by word in his writing in NT; therefore, we should not expect modern Bible translators to do the same. We should not assert that the KJV is the most and only accurate Bible translation. The NIV, like Luke's translation of the OT, might be received as God's word.

Index of Jesus’ quotations in the Gospels

Index of Jesus’ quotations in the Gospels

Genesis

         1:27        Matt. 19:4; Mark 10:6

         2:24        Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:7

         5:2          Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:6

Exodus

         3:6*         Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:37

         12:46      John 19:36

         20:12–16      Matt. 19:18–19; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20

         20:12      Matt. 15:4; Mark 7:10

         20:13      Matt. 5:21

         20:14      Matt. 5:27

         21:17      Matt. 15:4; Mark 7:10

         21:24      Matt. 5:38

Leviticus

         19:12      Matt. 5:33

         19:18      Matt. 5:43; 19:19; 22:39; Mark 12:31, 33; Luke 10:27

         24:20      Matt. 5:38

Numbers

         30:2      Matt. 5:33

Deuteronomy

         5:16      Matt. 15:4; Mark 7:10

         5:17      Matt. 5:21

         5:18      Matt. 5:27

         6:4–5    Mark 12:29–30

         6:5        Matt. 22:37; Mark 12:30, 33; Luke 10:27

         6:13      Matt. 4:10; Luke 4:8

         6:16      Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12

         8:3        Matt. 4:4; Luke 4:4

         19:15    Matt. 18:16

         19:21    Matt. 5:38

         24:1–3  Matt. 5:31; 19:7; Mark 10:4

Psalms

         8:2        Matt. 21:16

         22:1      Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:34

         31:5      Luke 23:46

         35:19    John 15:25

         41:9      John 13:18

         69:4      John 15:25

         69:9      John 2:17

         78:2      Matt. 13:35

         78:24    John 6:31

         82:6      John 10:34

         91:11–12      Matt. 4:6; Luke 4:10–11

         110:1     Matt. 22:44; 26:64; Mark 12:36; 14:62; Luke 20:42–43

         118:22   Matt. 21:42; Mark 12:10; Luke 20:17

         118:23   Matt. 21:42; Mark 12:11

         118:26   Matt. 23:39; Luke 13:35

Isaiah

         6:9–10  Matt. 13:14–15; Mark 4:12; Luke 8:10

         29:13    Matt. 15:8–9; Mark 7:6–7

         53:12    Luke 22:37

         54:13    John 6:45

         56:7      Matt. 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46

         61:1      Matt. 11:5; Luke 7:22

         61:1–2  Luke 4:18–19

Jeremiah

         7:11      Matt. 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46

Daniel

         7:13      Matt. 24:30; 26:64; Mark 13:26; 14:62; Luke 21:27; 22:69

Hosea

         6:6        Matt. 9:13; 12:7

         10:8      Luke 23:30

Jonah

         1:17      Matt. 12:40

Micah

         7:6        Matt. 10:21, 35–36; Luke 12:53

Zechariah

         13:7      Matt. 26:31; Mark 14:27

Malachi

         3:1        Matt. 11:10; Luke 7:27

JESUS QUOTED THE OLD TESTAMENT, BUT NOT VERBATIM, AND NOT WORD FOR WORD. HE SOMETIMES TRANSLATE THESE BIBLE VERSES LOOSELY. OTHER NEW TESTAMENT AUTHORS LIKE PAUL AND PETER TOO QUOTED THE OLD TESTEMENT NOT WORD FOR WORD.

WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM JESUS, PAUL AND PETER WHEN CHOOSING BIBLE VERSIONS?

Jesus did often paraphrase or interpret the Old Testament, emphasizing the spirit of the teachings rather than strict word-for-word accuracy. This shows us that the essence of the message matters more than rigid adherence to the exact text. When choosing Bible versions, it’s crucial to consider the version that resonates with your understanding and spiritual growth. The interpretation that speaks to your heart and enhances your relationship with the teachings can often be the most meaningful. It's about connecting with the deeper truths conveyed.

Versions like the New International Version (NIV), New Living Translation (NLT), and New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) aim for thought-for-thought equivalency rather than word-for-word precision. These translations focus on conveying the overall message in a way that's clear and relatable for contemporary readers, rather than sticking rigidly to the original language and structure. Each offers a unique lens through which to understand the deeper truths of the Bible. THAT IS WHY I PREFER BIBLE LIKE NIV, ESV...

Take Matthew 4:4 for example. In the King James Version (KJV), it’s written: “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” In the New International Version (NIV), it reads: “Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

These translations convey the same core idea—spiritual sustenance is as important, if not more so, than physical sustenance. They capture the essence of the teaching, even if the wording differs slightly. It’s about the underlying truth, not the exact phrasing. 

AND BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICTS OF VERBAL PLENARY PRESERVATION IN THE BIBLE-PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, I HAVE STOP READING THE KJV AND AM THINKING OF THROWING IT!

The text of the LXX known to Matthew

The text of the LXX known to Matthew

On a number of occasions Matthew quotes a form of the text that differs from both the Hebrew text that has come down to us (Masoretic Text) and the LXX represented in the majority of manuscripts. This could be because he is modifying the text to make his point or that he is quoting from memory and makes mistakes. However, at least in some instances it appears that he is quoting from a version of the LXX that differs from the principal manuscripts. From the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls it would appear that there had been several attempts to revise the LXX text to bring it closer to the Hebrew text. In addition, we learn from the Scrolls that there were also variations in the Hebrew text, so that the question of what text Matthew was quoting from is extremely complicated. Given that we live in a period where there are countless English versions of the Bible, perhaps this should not be unduly surprising. (Moyise, Steve. 2010. Jesus and Scripture. London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge.)

For our reflection:

Matthew was reading LXX and Masoretic Text at the same time? He has two Old Testaments in his hands. One is the Hebrew OT and one is the Greek OT LXX. Clearly no one including Jesus, was pursuing a perfect Old Testament at Jesus' time? For an introduction to the issues, see Timothy R. McLay, The Use of the Septuagint in New Testament Research (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2003).

Lament over Bible-Presbyterian Church

“O Bible-Presbyterian Church, Bible-Presbyterian Church, the church that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would God has gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!

See, your house is left to you desolate.

For God tell you, you will not see God again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Amen.

I pray that you will stop pursuing a Perfect Bible until you have hurt the Lord's heart. I also ask that you stop promoting the perfect TR underlying the KJV and the KJV as the most faithful English Bible. May God grant you grace, mercy, and peace, leading you back to the flock of the Almighty God. 

 

THE QUESTIONS OF IMPRECISE STATEMENTS, FREE QUOTATIONS, AND DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE

It must be remembered that there is a difference between precision and truthfulness. To argue for the total truthfulness of Scripture is certainly not to argue for technical precision at every point, for a statement can be imprecise and still be completely true. Consider the following statements: (1) “My home is not far from my office.” (2) “My home is about one and a half miles from my office.” (3) “My home is 1.6 miles from my office.” All three statements are absolutely true (or “inerrant”). All three are completely free of falsehood; they contain no errors. Even though (3) is much more precise then (1), it is not more “true” than (1). Both (1) and (3) are completely true, even though they have different degrees of precision. (And a land surveyor could presumably make a statement that is even more precise than statement [3].)

Similar considerations apply to the matter of quotations. The statement “I said, ‘My home is not far from my office,’ ” would be a verbatim quotation of statement (1) above and the quotation would be completely true. But the statement “I said that I lived near my place of work,” though using several different words, would still be (in ordinary conversation at least) a perfectly acceptable and truthful report of what I had said.

In the Bible we sometimes find, for example, round numbers or approximations in measurements and in battle figures. These statements are not highly precise, but they can still be completely true. We also find in the New Testament quotations of the Old Testament or quotations of Jesus that are not verbatim quotations of the type we find in precise scholarly writing today, but that are closer to the kind of indirect quotation mentioned in the example above. Even though they do not report the exact words used, they faithfully represent the content of the person or text cited.

These instances of nontechnical reporting should not be urged as counterexamples that contradict the many texts that affirm the Bible’s total truthfulness, for they are merely instances of a lack of highly technical precision, not instances of falsehood or error. The emphasis of the many texts cited above is on the truthfulness of God’s speech in the Bible. No texts were found to claim any particular level of precision in measurement or any adherence to one certain style of quotation.

The question then arises, How imprecise can a statement be and still be true? In the example given above, the statement “My home is four miles from my office” would be false, as would the statement “I said that my home was very far from my office.” But between what would clearly be true and what would clearly be false there is a wide range of possible statements. The degree of imprecision that would be acceptable as “truthful” speech would vary according to the situation in which I was speaking, the degree of precision implied by my statements, and the degree of precision that would ordinarily be expected by my hearers in that particular context. It would be difficult to define in advance what degree of precision would be required in order for speech to be truthful, for one would need more information about each individual situation in question.

When we ask what degree of precision is necessary for biblical statements to be completely true, an analysis of individual texts in Scripture will be very helpful to us (see, for example, chapter 5 concerning the New Testament use of the Old Testament). We should not expect to find one particular level of precision throughout the whole Bible (such as “round off to the nearest hundred soldiers killed”) but degrees of precision that will vary according to the different kinds of purpose, subject matter, historical setting, and literary type that characterize the different parts of Scripture.

What is important for our purposes in this chapter is to emphasize the differences between imprecision and untruthfulness. In contemporary discussions about biblical “inerrancy” the question is not whether the Bible contains statements that lack technical precision (all agree that it does) but whether it contains clearly false affirmations (on this there is disagreement). There may be some texts about which some will say they contain not imprecision but actual falsehood, while others will say they contain only imprecision. Those cases will have to be dealt with on an individual basis. (In most cases these are not the really crucial texts in the “inerrancy” discussion anyway.) My purpose here is only to point out the difference between precision and truthfulness and to emphasize that it is the total truthfulness of Scripture that is affirmed again and again in Scripture itself.

...In summary, it is important to note that the Bible repeatedly affirms its own truthfulness, but that this affirmation does not imply a claim to a very high level of precision or to a practice of verbatim quotation or to the possession of future scientific knowledge. These elements are not essential to complete truthfulness in speech and writing. 

Adapted from Carson, D. A., and John D. Woodbridge. 1992. Scripture and Truth. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House.

For our reflection:

The essence here is that truth can be nuanced. It’s not necessarily about having perfect precision or adhering strictly to verbatim quotes. Truthfulness is more about the broader, genuine intent and integrity behind the message. In a way, it’s like conveying the spirit of the law rather than the letter. This approach to truth allows for a deeper, more flexible understanding, especially when interpreting ancient texts like the Bible that were written in contexts very different from our own. What is your thoughts?

Brother, Sister Relationship Over VPP

Brother, Sister Relationship Over VPP

By Rev Tan Eng Boo

In 2022 I travelled with my two sisters and my wife to Turkey. One of the biblical sites we visited was Hattusa. It is about a three hour drive from Ankara. The distance is 197 KM. Hattusa was the capital city of the Hittite Empire in the late Bronze age. The Hittites were an Ancient Anatolian people who established an empire centred on Hattusa in north-central Anatolia around 1600 BC. The city was destroyed, together with the Hittite state itself, around 1200 BC.

I am glad that I was able to accompany my two sisters to visit my nephew’s workplace in Ankara. This would be my sister, Ivy’s, last overseas trip. She went home to be with the Lord on Friday 17 May, 2024. In my testimony at the two nights of vigil service held in Calvary Pandan BPC, I wanted people to know that my sister was a fervent servant of the Lord. I also wanted people to know that we remained a family unit in spite of our differences in Bible version. She was for the King James Only, VPP position. VPP stands for Verbal Plenary Preservation. It simply means that God preserved only one Bible for the English-speaking world, and that is the King James Version (KJV). The basis of this belief is that God has preserved certain Greek Manuscripts underlining the KJV. The B-P Church in Singapore went through a traumatic experience during that period, resulting in family members not talking to one another and not worshipping together.

My family

There are seven of us siblings, two girls and five boys, of which Ivy is the eldest and I am the youngest in the family. We have a 12-year age gap. In her younger days she was a very fervent Christian who was constantly reading her Bible. The Lord used her as His instrument in starting a Bible study group in the Pasir Panjang Community Centre in 1960. I recalled being with her for this Bible study. This was to be the pioneering group of Galilee BPC.

In 1962, Ivy was called to the Lord’s work. She was one of the first students in the Far Eastern Bible College (FEBC) which was started in the same year. Fast forward to 1975, I was also called to the Lord’s work and I studied in FEBC that year.

My father was very happy to see his eldest daughter and youngest son in the service of the Lord. He was most happy when he witnessed my Ordination in October 1981 by the Bible-Presbyterian Synod in Life BPC.

I want to encourage Christian parents to be open and willing to offer their children to full-time Christian service.

Our relationship

We never let the VPP issue break up our brother-sister relationship. She would come to my home on Saturdays before my grandchildren were born and she would be us the whole day. My wife and I would bring her out for lunch or shopping. The most memorable time we had together was the Turkey trip in 2022. Praise the Lord.

I mentioned this matter in my testimony because I know of families who have broken up and are not on talking terms over the VPP issue. This is not the way Christians should behave.

If anyone is going through this issue with your family members, do not let it break up your family unit.

I read the English Standard Version (ESV). We don’t fight over this version. I know she loves her KJV Bible. We don’t thumb each other down.

Will I see my sister Ivy in heaven because I differ with her on Bible version? YES! 

 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Rom 10:13)

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another:          

just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 

By this all people will know that you are my disciples, 

if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34, 35)

Our weapon to combat heretics

 2 Corinthians 10:4

The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

It's essential to remember that the battle isn't about physical or aggressive confrontations. Instead, it's about using spiritual tools: prayer, Scripture, and sound doctrine.

Standing firm in truth, fostering a spirit of love and understanding, and gently correcting false teachings with grace and wisdom reflect the true essence of this verse. Engaging in compassionate dialogue and educating others on the correct interpretations can be far more effective than any combative approach.

SPIRITUAL TERRORISM IN BIBLE-PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH

 SPIRITUAL TERRORISM

A Warning!
by a B-P pastor.

It exists in the church today! Today we hear of Islamic terrorism and the extremism of Al-Qaeda on how they would go to the extent of killing their fellow Muslims. As I reflect on this matter, it dawn on me that we are seeing such extremism in the church, too. The recent conflict that split certain B-P Churches was over the extreme belief that the King James Versions (KJV) is the inspired, God preserved version for the English-speaking world. Some of these extremists (B-P pastors) condemned their fellow B-P pastors who disagree with them. Name callings, like neo-evangelicals, neo-fundamentalists were labeled against those pastors who were not in agreement with them. Such pastors were treated like an enemy. Spiritual terrorism is extremism. It is extremism that will not tolerate anyone who is not with/for them. They will go all out to fight anyone who disagrees with them.

Be careful of extremists. Be wary of them. They are merciless. They will only want to build their own empire. They will fight and destroy anyone who comes in their way.

Once the Devil was walking along with one of his cohorts. They saw a man ahead of them pick up something shiny.

"What did he find?" asked the cohort.
"A piece of the truth," the Devil replied.
"Doesn't it bother you that he found a piece of the truth?" asked the cohort.
"No," said the Devil, "I will see to it that he makes a religion out of it."

To these people they have found the 'truth' and have made a religion out of it.

If you have seen a recent TV program on CNN: "In the Footsteps of bin Laden" you would know how dangerous extremists could be. They will kill those who are even their own fellow Muslims. In spiritual terrorism, the Christians, may not kill physically but they will split churches and cause fellow Christians to fight one another. Parents and children, husband and wife attend different churches because of the KJV issue. It is so destructive.

Be wary of such extremists. They hold on to the KJV-ONLY position. They believe in the perfect Bible which they say is the King James Version/Bible. They will not allow anyone to read any other Bible versions other than the KJV only. To them, all other Bible versions present a different Jesus from their KJV Jesus. All other Bible versions are corrupt. Only the KJV is the Perfect Bible. They will tell you that God has preserved the KJV. The KJV is the Bible that should be the sole guiding principle for all Bible translations, including all other ethnic Bibles (like the Chinese, Malay, Tamil language Bibles etc.). This is not only extremism, but also leaning heavily towards a heretical and cultic behaviour. Be forewarned of such groups in the B-P Church today.

Do not allow such extreme teaching to infiltrate Grace Church. Be on guard against them. I am not for such teaching. I am against such form of extremism. Some B-P Churches that were affected recently have been devastated by internal strife and split in the congregation.

We live in perilous times. Be careful of them. 2 Timothy 4: 3-4:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but, after their own lusts, shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall turned into fables"

 

For our reflection:

The focus is that spiritually, Jetfree Kh.00, Quak Suane Yew, Pra-bud-ass Kosi and their proxies or cronies are not superior to Hamas, Hezbollah, or ISIS. Think about it.