Are you angry with a wine bottle. I tell you, I do not drink, I have no such extra money to drink, I found joy in Christ, I do not found it only in the bottle.
Are you angry with me, because I had prayed in tongue for the last 25 years openly and secretly? Why, I do not see the tongue is any big or serious threat to Christianity, nor Verbal Plenary Preservation, they some times creating confusions, I do not see every one must speak in tongue. Once I stopped my tongue speaking for nearly few years, because, once I was praying in tongue, I asked myself to utter, "Jesus is Lord." I failed that simple test, because too deep indulged in tongue speaking for hours, I found it is too hard for me to tune my lip and tongue to utter these 3 simple words, I am shocked in that failure in uttering Jesus is Lord, so I spend much times in seeking the truth of this tongue speaking. It is biblical or not?
I hope every modern tongue speaker check our salvation, check our life, check our belief and also our relationship with God. Tongue speaking is a temporal gift, it will end one day, please test your lip and tongue and heart, say "Jesus is Lord" in the middle of our tongue speaking! See weather we can say it or not! Test our spirit! That is why Paul said to the Corinthians : When we are praying with tongue my understanding has no gain! 1 Corinthians 14:14, "...my understanding is unfruitful." Paul admit that tongue is still capable in self edification. 1 Corinthians 14:4.
Are you angry with my manner of writing this blog. Why? Let I tell you one disciple of the so called Verbal Plenary Preservation theologians, he is an middle age Chinese man, having a Master of Divinity from Bob Jones University. You know what we called him, a taliban! Why we called him a taliban, let me illustrate this for you, I am a Chinese, I do not see color skin has any distinction among human on earth, when we are dead, we will go down into the ground! What colour are you? This is matter arising in the grave? No!
I tell you that taliban who has MDiv, reading KJV, with high degree from Bob Jones USA, he is the taliban in VPP Church! One day this chinese taliban came to talk to a young Burmese man, "You men who came from from the third world country, when you come to Singapore, you felt Singapore is a heaven to you and you thought you are entering heaven, Singapore is a heaven to you. Ha..." And so he looked down to the colored skin, looked down to the people comes from third world country. He tortured them! He swindled money from the church! He is our pharisee living in the mask of Verbal Plenary Preservation! He was making us to live like living in hell!
You ask me, do I angry with Verbal Plenary Preservation, no, I do not angry with the theologian who are teaching this VPP, I was angry in the past, in the begining of VPP, but I have more sadness than angry with them now because they are behaving like that taliban who tortured people from third world country! They tortured people who are reading CUV, NKJV, NIV, ESV.....They are to be destroyed with the invisible "Bazooka," the Words from the mouth of God!
The demoniac man was healed by the Lord, at the lake side, after the demons was cast out from the demoniac man, and the Bible said he was now understood, he came back to understanding! How can we do not ask God for understanding! Are we also processed with the a fanatic spirit like that taliban?
A bazooka is needed!
13.6.09
The tongue speaking rich fool
Every where we go, in the churches, we will found some “tongue speaking rich fool,” who are these tongues speaking rich fool.
They are confused with the richness and the baptism of the Spirit
These are the Christian who practice, tongue speaking, and at the same time they are the rich fool.
Let me write a few words about them! Why I said these tongue speakers are the rich fool
They said according to the Book of Acts, every Christian must speaking in tongue, they said all the believers at the event at the Pentecost spoke in tongues, they were speaking in tongue at the upper room. Since every one spoke in tongue on that occasion, likewise every Christian must speak in tongue. Since every one of them at the upper room were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they started to speak in tongue.
Now a day, we have Charismatic brothers came to ask us, “Did you have the baptize in the Spirit?” and I asked them “What is that baptism in the spirit is all about?” they said “The baptism in the Holy Spirit is simply speaking in tongue!” I was stunned by the acclamation!
These charismatic wanted every one to speaking in tongue like those at the Pentecost! They told us to be filled in the Holy Spirit and start to speaking tongue! No, I disagreed with them, Paul does not want every one to pursue the gift of speaking in tongue. Why?
As we had looked through the scriptures, we have two kinds of tongue speaking:
1.the tongues speaking in the Book of Acts
2.the speaking of unknown tongue in the Church of Corinth.
In the Book of Acts they were speaking in some human languages, but in the Book of Corinthians they were speaking in an unknown tongue, no one know what this tongue means. The Corinthians’ tongue is a spiritual gift from God, along with this, the fact is that not every one receive this spiritual gift.
Paul asked the Corinthians this question: 1 Corinthians 12:29 “Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?” Paul’s answer is, no, not every one does speak with tongues! The Charismatic is teaching their church that every one must speak in tongue, this is a wrong teaching.
Compared to the tongue in the Pentecost, every one in the upper room was speaking in tongue, each of them was speaking in a human language, this is a work, a miracle from God, we know they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:3 “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
But in Corinth, the tongue is a spiritual gift for self edification.
Here we are, two different kinds of tongues speaking in New Testament, with two different kinds of speaker! Many Charismatic leaders now a day have that wrong conception that every one in the church must speak in tongues, this is not correct. They said every one at Pentecost was speaking in tongue, it is true, every one at Pentecost was speaking in tongue, but they were speaking in human languages. People knew what they had spoken.
But it was not the same case in Corinth Church, In Corinth church not every one was speaking in tongue, even some confusions arise from the phenomena in the Corinth church, that is why Paul wrote back to them in his epistle, and Paul laid down the rules and conditions in speaking with this tongues. Even though there was confusions in the church, but Paul wrote to them, commanded them to continue in tongue speaking, do not forbid them to speaking in tongue!
Paul would that they all spake with tongue. 1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. And Paul was spoken this kind of tongue more than every one in Corinth. Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Remember Paul was not one of them at the upper room! Paul spoke with different kind of tongue compared with them at the upper room at Pentecost. Paul was not speaking in a human language, but an astatic one with angelic sound!
But Paul encouraged them to speak five words with his understanding.....1 Corinthians 14:19 “Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.” In the church meeting, understanding is more important than speaking in tongue! Let people know what you are speaking! The gift of speaking in tongue must be controlled. Paul wanted them to be mature in understanding. Tongue has the use for personal edification.
Paul laid down some rules, when some one is speaking in the church, Paul presumed that not every one speak with tongue in Corinth, because he said “if any man speak ....”
14:27 “If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. “
So when the “tongue speaking rich fool” is teaching every one to pursue the unknown tongue, they are making the first mistake.
Secondly why these tongue speaker sometimes are the rich fools?
The tongues speaking rich fool one day come to me, and he said to me, you do not have money, because you do not asked money and food from God!
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
In another place it is written, Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
These tongue speaking rich fool are the one who preach that wealth and health must come before salvation! They are the one who preach the gospel of health and wealth, and they said this is the faith and word coming from God.
But what about the Lord comment to the rich fool? Should a rich young man be given more wealth?
Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Richness becomes a stumbling block to the rich fool, so Jesus Christ asked him to sell his belongings, distribute his richness unto the poor! To have the treasure in heaven he must become poorer. After that, come, and follow Jesus!
Salvation must be first, before wealth even health!
Salvation must come first, not the richness! Richness may become a stumbling block to a young rich man! Health is needed, but it is testing our faith in sickness.
Micah 6:10 Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked, and the scant measure that is abominable? 6:11 Shall I count them pure with the wicked balances, and with the bag of deceitful weights? 6:12 For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
What about health? The rich fool sometimes preaches health and wealth message, they replace the gospel with message of wealth and health. Sometime God let some one in blindness, the spiritual blindness is more deathly than the physical blindness!
Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
There is remedy for sickness for the believers, these are those who have trusting the Lord, but later fell into sickness, even Christian fell sick, James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Sometimes we must take care of ourselves by taking good and healthy food!
Acts 27:34 Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you.
Christians are wishing every one with good health and prosperity. Some time our wishes become true, speak well of other with our mouths.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
But at another time, even faithful servant and follower of Christ may fell sick, and it is by the mercy of God, God heal him.
Philippians 2:25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants. 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. 2:27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
Conclusion
Not every one speak with tongue!
Some richness may become stumbling block for the fool in believing God.
Sometime even faithful Christians fallen in sickness.
Do not become a tongue speaking rich fool.
They are confused with the richness and the baptism of the Spirit
These are the Christian who practice, tongue speaking, and at the same time they are the rich fool.
Let me write a few words about them! Why I said these tongue speakers are the rich fool
They said according to the Book of Acts, every Christian must speaking in tongue, they said all the believers at the event at the Pentecost spoke in tongues, they were speaking in tongue at the upper room. Since every one spoke in tongue on that occasion, likewise every Christian must speak in tongue. Since every one of them at the upper room were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they started to speak in tongue.
Now a day, we have Charismatic brothers came to ask us, “Did you have the baptize in the Spirit?” and I asked them “What is that baptism in the spirit is all about?” they said “The baptism in the Holy Spirit is simply speaking in tongue!” I was stunned by the acclamation!
These charismatic wanted every one to speaking in tongue like those at the Pentecost! They told us to be filled in the Holy Spirit and start to speaking tongue! No, I disagreed with them, Paul does not want every one to pursue the gift of speaking in tongue. Why?
As we had looked through the scriptures, we have two kinds of tongue speaking:
1.the tongues speaking in the Book of Acts
2.the speaking of unknown tongue in the Church of Corinth.
In the Book of Acts they were speaking in some human languages, but in the Book of Corinthians they were speaking in an unknown tongue, no one know what this tongue means. The Corinthians’ tongue is a spiritual gift from God, along with this, the fact is that not every one receive this spiritual gift.
Paul asked the Corinthians this question: 1 Corinthians 12:29 “Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?” Paul’s answer is, no, not every one does speak with tongues! The Charismatic is teaching their church that every one must speak in tongue, this is a wrong teaching.
Compared to the tongue in the Pentecost, every one in the upper room was speaking in tongue, each of them was speaking in a human language, this is a work, a miracle from God, we know they were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:3 “And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
But in Corinth, the tongue is a spiritual gift for self edification.
Here we are, two different kinds of tongues speaking in New Testament, with two different kinds of speaker! Many Charismatic leaders now a day have that wrong conception that every one in the church must speak in tongues, this is not correct. They said every one at Pentecost was speaking in tongue, it is true, every one at Pentecost was speaking in tongue, but they were speaking in human languages. People knew what they had spoken.
But it was not the same case in Corinth Church, In Corinth church not every one was speaking in tongue, even some confusions arise from the phenomena in the Corinth church, that is why Paul wrote back to them in his epistle, and Paul laid down the rules and conditions in speaking with this tongues. Even though there was confusions in the church, but Paul wrote to them, commanded them to continue in tongue speaking, do not forbid them to speaking in tongue!
Paul would that they all spake with tongue. 1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. And Paul was spoken this kind of tongue more than every one in Corinth. Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Remember Paul was not one of them at the upper room! Paul spoke with different kind of tongue compared with them at the upper room at Pentecost. Paul was not speaking in a human language, but an astatic one with angelic sound!
But Paul encouraged them to speak five words with his understanding.....1 Corinthians 14:19 “Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.” In the church meeting, understanding is more important than speaking in tongue! Let people know what you are speaking! The gift of speaking in tongue must be controlled. Paul wanted them to be mature in understanding. Tongue has the use for personal edification.
Paul laid down some rules, when some one is speaking in the church, Paul presumed that not every one speak with tongue in Corinth, because he said “if any man speak ....”
14:27 “If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. “
So when the “tongue speaking rich fool” is teaching every one to pursue the unknown tongue, they are making the first mistake.
Secondly why these tongue speaker sometimes are the rich fools?
The tongues speaking rich fool one day come to me, and he said to me, you do not have money, because you do not asked money and food from God!
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
In another place it is written, Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
These tongue speaking rich fool are the one who preach that wealth and health must come before salvation! They are the one who preach the gospel of health and wealth, and they said this is the faith and word coming from God.
But what about the Lord comment to the rich fool? Should a rich young man be given more wealth?
Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Richness becomes a stumbling block to the rich fool, so Jesus Christ asked him to sell his belongings, distribute his richness unto the poor! To have the treasure in heaven he must become poorer. After that, come, and follow Jesus!
Salvation must be first, before wealth even health!
Salvation must come first, not the richness! Richness may become a stumbling block to a young rich man! Health is needed, but it is testing our faith in sickness.
Micah 6:10 Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked, and the scant measure that is abominable? 6:11 Shall I count them pure with the wicked balances, and with the bag of deceitful weights? 6:12 For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
What about health? The rich fool sometimes preaches health and wealth message, they replace the gospel with message of wealth and health. Sometime God let some one in blindness, the spiritual blindness is more deathly than the physical blindness!
Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
There is remedy for sickness for the believers, these are those who have trusting the Lord, but later fell into sickness, even Christian fell sick, James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Sometimes we must take care of ourselves by taking good and healthy food!
Acts 27:34 Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you.
Christians are wishing every one with good health and prosperity. Some time our wishes become true, speak well of other with our mouths.
3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
But at another time, even faithful servant and follower of Christ may fell sick, and it is by the mercy of God, God heal him.
Philippians 2:25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants. 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. 2:27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
Conclusion
Not every one speak with tongue!
Some richness may become stumbling block for the fool in believing God.
Sometime even faithful Christians fallen in sickness.
Do not become a tongue speaking rich fool.
10.6.09
Wine drinking and speaking in tongue in Jesus' time
Wine drinking
Further investigation in the Bible, does Jesus has anything to do with wine drinking?
In Gospel of John, chapter 2, Jesus changes water into wine in the wedding in Cana, what kind of wine Jesus made for the people there? It was the best old wine! Listen to the guests who drink the wine. John 2:10, after the guests drunk the wine Jesus made for them, they acclaimed it was a choice wine, and said "Everyone bring out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best till now." The wine Jesus made is the best wine! The guests said, the men usually have first "well drunk with choice wine," "getting drunken because of the choice wine........;" what does this means? "well drunk what kind of wine?" There are evidents indicating the "choice wine" here is a type of fermented wine. (Referring the word "have well drunk" "methuo" is used in Matthew 24:49, Acts 2:15, 1 Cor 11:21, 1 Thes 5:7)
Jesus had made the best wine for them, from the quest's conversation, it is normal for them to drink much better wine in the first place in the wedding. Many did this kind of drinking at Jesus' time. Question is what kind of wine? What kind of wine is called as the better wine. The word "wine" is "oinos" in this verse, what kind of wine is that? We cannot tell merely from this word, because this word "oinos" has two kind of meanings, may be it is a kind of fermented strong drink or maybe a kind of fresh press grape juice.
It is impossible Jesus had made those 120 gallons of best wine for them? The guests in the wedding said the wine Jesus made is the best wine, the better wine, the choice wine, the good wine! Which kind of wine is called the better wine? The new wine or the old wine? Jesus Christ gave us the answer in his parable! What is the meaning of better old wine in Jesus' understanding? Listen to Jesus Christ in judging the wine and his wine grading, in Luke 5:39, Jesus said, "And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, "The old is better." The fermented wine is the better wine! Who said this, Jesus did!
Jesus tells us that the old wine is the better wine, naturally it becomes the choice wine, the older is the better, the best wine in the Cana wedding was made by Jesus Himself! Jesus made the better, old wine, the fermented wine in Cana. Does Jesus forbid people from drinking choice and better wine, in this case, ironically, no. He made it for them! Indeed, in Luke 5:37, "And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined." The new wine is the still fermenting wine, for sometime they put the fresh press grape juice in the wineskin, after sometimes in the skin, it will ferments, that is why the skin burst! What about the old wine? The old wine is fermented wine! Contents alcholol!
How much best and choice wine Jesus made for them? According to John 2:6, it is about 120 to 180 gallons! And you may argue and fight with one another, what is the wine is all about, it is alcoholic? Intoxicating? If you asked the VPP theologians! They will write a tone of thesis for you. My important question is, wine made from many grapes, what we had transformed them within us? What is the meaning in taking wine in New Testament? In the early Christian Church, it was usual to mix the sacramental wine with water. Wine is figurative of the blood of Christ. (Matthew 26:27-29) But the scriptures forbid drunkenness! Some Christians do drink, moderately! And this become a debate in Christendom, over the drinking habit and the split began. They forgot to read, 1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
What about wine drinking in Old Testament
There is many proofs that indicate Israelite drink until they drunk. Did they split into pieces? Did they really drunk? Drunk until they lost their balance and sound mind, babbling and fallen asleep at the road side?
In the Old Testament time, Eli thought Hannah was getting drunk when she came to pray in the temple, it was seen even often in Old Testament time, wine causing Israelites women into troubles, reading 1 Samuel 1:13b-14, Eli thought she was drunk, and said to her, "How long will you keep on getting drunk? Get rid of your wine." God heard Hannah's prayer, and gave her a son, and later Hannah brought a skin of wine to the temple in 1 Samuel 1:24. It is normal in those days the wine were being brought to the temple.
Dr Luke wrote about wine drinking in his journal, it is mentioned at the time when some of them spoke in tongue at Pentecost, at that time they were speaking in some human languages, Act 2:11, "we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." the speakers never learn that languages before, but they utter with the help of the Holy Spirit, someone understood what they had spoken, the tongue here is different from Corinthians's tongue, Corinthian tongue is not a human language, reading from 1 Corinthians 14:2, "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no on understands him....." No one understand him....surely this is not a human language. But the tongue in Pentecost is a kind of human language where some people can understand what they were uttering.
Forbid not those spoke in tongue in Corinthians, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14:39, " ...do not forbid speaking in tongues!" Do not stop or attack anyone who is speaking in a strange tongue even though no one understand him, or no one knew what he was saying!
The VPP theologians had spend times, writing papers and wasting much inks in attacking the fundamentalists! They even mocked them! This article is written to refute the VPP theologians who attack those fundamental moderate wine drinker and tongue speaker in this Far East!
When the Israelites spoke in tongue, in human languages in such of strange manner in Act 2:13, "some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much new wine."
They mocked those who spoken in tongue! New wine is also has intoxicating nature. Ironically, Dr Luke and others knew what is the effect of too much wine, so too much new wine may cause a man to get drunk. The wine at Jesus' time is actually a tonic which has alcohol causing drunkenness. It is often not grape juice, or wine deluded with water! Drunkenness is seen too often in Jesus' time. The theologians does not make a fine study about speaking in tongue and wine drinking in New Testament, but they have already getting drunk with the false accusation given to brother in Christ!
What is the lesson for us to learn from the wine drinking and tongue speaking practices?
John Calvin wrote in his commentary about the wine skin in Luke 5:39...he wrote,"I take it simply as a warning to the Pharisees not to attach undue importance to a received custom. For how comes it that wine, the taste of which remains unaltered, is not equally agreeable to every palate, but because custom and habit form the taste? Hence it follows, that Christ’s manner of acting towards his disciples is not less worthy of approbation, because it has less show and splendor: as old wine, though it does not foam with the sharpness of new wine, is not less agreeable on that account, or less fitted for the nourishment of the body." John Calvin meant we better don't behave and think like a Pharisees.......! We better stop attacking those who are speaking in tongue, and those who are drinking moderately.
Summary
Do I encouraging you to speaking in tongue, yes, if that tongue you spoke can edify you and you did not disturb the peace in the church and family, referring to 1 Corinthians 14:4, "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself." Do I encouraging you to drink wine? No, I do not, stop your drunkenness, quit it! Stop being a drunkard! What I pursue until now is that, it is better for us to stop being a Pharisee. Moderate drinking of wine and controlled speaking in tongue are not forbidden by scripture! Likewise speaking in tongue, even though there is no evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit! That is human spirit who is praying in tongue, when I am speaking in tongue is because my spirit prays, do not react over sensitive about this phenomena. And fight over it. (1 Corinthians 14:14, ... For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth...) Give some places for wine and tongue if they are scriptural and biblical! Drink in the Spirit, is what matter most, what I meant the Holy Spirit, drink in the Holy Spirit, the tongue and wine become the things in the past and secondary!
There is place for the responsible and temperate usage of wine and tongue, rather, we must forbid the abuse or incessant use of them, that an individual who always has a bottle on the table and so addiction, or an individual always pray with tongue without orders in the church. Paul laid down, as a simple but infallible test, the witness which such an utterance bears to Jesus: "no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthian 12:3) John later insisting in 1 John 4:2, "every spirit which confessed that Jesus Christ has come in the fresh is of God." Remember Christ is both God and man. Any effort to mix the kingdom of God with the old legalistic system is self-defeating.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Isaiah 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
happy father day!
Written for the VPP drunkard
Further investigation in the Bible, does Jesus has anything to do with wine drinking?
In Gospel of John, chapter 2, Jesus changes water into wine in the wedding in Cana, what kind of wine Jesus made for the people there? It was the best old wine! Listen to the guests who drink the wine. John 2:10, after the guests drunk the wine Jesus made for them, they acclaimed it was a choice wine, and said "Everyone bring out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink, but you have saved the best till now." The wine Jesus made is the best wine! The guests said, the men usually have first "well drunk with choice wine," "getting drunken because of the choice wine........;" what does this means? "well drunk what kind of wine?" There are evidents indicating the "choice wine" here is a type of fermented wine. (Referring the word "have well drunk" "methuo" is used in Matthew 24:49, Acts 2:15, 1 Cor 11:21, 1 Thes 5:7)
Jesus had made the best wine for them, from the quest's conversation, it is normal for them to drink much better wine in the first place in the wedding. Many did this kind of drinking at Jesus' time. Question is what kind of wine? What kind of wine is called as the better wine. The word "wine" is "oinos" in this verse, what kind of wine is that? We cannot tell merely from this word, because this word "oinos" has two kind of meanings, may be it is a kind of fermented strong drink or maybe a kind of fresh press grape juice.
It is impossible Jesus had made those 120 gallons of best wine for them? The guests in the wedding said the wine Jesus made is the best wine, the better wine, the choice wine, the good wine! Which kind of wine is called the better wine? The new wine or the old wine? Jesus Christ gave us the answer in his parable! What is the meaning of better old wine in Jesus' understanding? Listen to Jesus Christ in judging the wine and his wine grading, in Luke 5:39, Jesus said, "And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, "The old is better." The fermented wine is the better wine! Who said this, Jesus did!
Jesus tells us that the old wine is the better wine, naturally it becomes the choice wine, the older is the better, the best wine in the Cana wedding was made by Jesus Himself! Jesus made the better, old wine, the fermented wine in Cana. Does Jesus forbid people from drinking choice and better wine, in this case, ironically, no. He made it for them! Indeed, in Luke 5:37, "And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined." The new wine is the still fermenting wine, for sometime they put the fresh press grape juice in the wineskin, after sometimes in the skin, it will ferments, that is why the skin burst! What about the old wine? The old wine is fermented wine! Contents alcholol!
How much best and choice wine Jesus made for them? According to John 2:6, it is about 120 to 180 gallons! And you may argue and fight with one another, what is the wine is all about, it is alcoholic? Intoxicating? If you asked the VPP theologians! They will write a tone of thesis for you. My important question is, wine made from many grapes, what we had transformed them within us? What is the meaning in taking wine in New Testament? In the early Christian Church, it was usual to mix the sacramental wine with water. Wine is figurative of the blood of Christ. (Matthew 26:27-29) But the scriptures forbid drunkenness! Some Christians do drink, moderately! And this become a debate in Christendom, over the drinking habit and the split began. They forgot to read, 1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
What about wine drinking in Old Testament
There is many proofs that indicate Israelite drink until they drunk. Did they split into pieces? Did they really drunk? Drunk until they lost their balance and sound mind, babbling and fallen asleep at the road side?
In the Old Testament time, Eli thought Hannah was getting drunk when she came to pray in the temple, it was seen even often in Old Testament time, wine causing Israelites women into troubles, reading 1 Samuel 1:13b-14, Eli thought she was drunk, and said to her, "How long will you keep on getting drunk? Get rid of your wine." God heard Hannah's prayer, and gave her a son, and later Hannah brought a skin of wine to the temple in 1 Samuel 1:24. It is normal in those days the wine were being brought to the temple.
Dr Luke wrote about wine drinking in his journal, it is mentioned at the time when some of them spoke in tongue at Pentecost, at that time they were speaking in some human languages, Act 2:11, "we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." the speakers never learn that languages before, but they utter with the help of the Holy Spirit, someone understood what they had spoken, the tongue here is different from Corinthians's tongue, Corinthian tongue is not a human language, reading from 1 Corinthians 14:2, "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no on understands him....." No one understand him....surely this is not a human language. But the tongue in Pentecost is a kind of human language where some people can understand what they were uttering.
Forbid not those spoke in tongue in Corinthians, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14:39, " ...do not forbid speaking in tongues!" Do not stop or attack anyone who is speaking in a strange tongue even though no one understand him, or no one knew what he was saying!
The VPP theologians had spend times, writing papers and wasting much inks in attacking the fundamentalists! They even mocked them! This article is written to refute the VPP theologians who attack those fundamental moderate wine drinker and tongue speaker in this Far East!
When the Israelites spoke in tongue, in human languages in such of strange manner in Act 2:13, "some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much new wine."
They mocked those who spoken in tongue! New wine is also has intoxicating nature. Ironically, Dr Luke and others knew what is the effect of too much wine, so too much new wine may cause a man to get drunk. The wine at Jesus' time is actually a tonic which has alcohol causing drunkenness. It is often not grape juice, or wine deluded with water! Drunkenness is seen too often in Jesus' time. The theologians does not make a fine study about speaking in tongue and wine drinking in New Testament, but they have already getting drunk with the false accusation given to brother in Christ!
What is the lesson for us to learn from the wine drinking and tongue speaking practices?
John Calvin wrote in his commentary about the wine skin in Luke 5:39...he wrote,"I take it simply as a warning to the Pharisees not to attach undue importance to a received custom. For how comes it that wine, the taste of which remains unaltered, is not equally agreeable to every palate, but because custom and habit form the taste? Hence it follows, that Christ’s manner of acting towards his disciples is not less worthy of approbation, because it has less show and splendor: as old wine, though it does not foam with the sharpness of new wine, is not less agreeable on that account, or less fitted for the nourishment of the body." John Calvin meant we better don't behave and think like a Pharisees.......! We better stop attacking those who are speaking in tongue, and those who are drinking moderately.
Summary
Do I encouraging you to speaking in tongue, yes, if that tongue you spoke can edify you and you did not disturb the peace in the church and family, referring to 1 Corinthians 14:4, "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself." Do I encouraging you to drink wine? No, I do not, stop your drunkenness, quit it! Stop being a drunkard! What I pursue until now is that, it is better for us to stop being a Pharisee. Moderate drinking of wine and controlled speaking in tongue are not forbidden by scripture! Likewise speaking in tongue, even though there is no evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit! That is human spirit who is praying in tongue, when I am speaking in tongue is because my spirit prays, do not react over sensitive about this phenomena. And fight over it. (1 Corinthians 14:14, ... For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth...) Give some places for wine and tongue if they are scriptural and biblical! Drink in the Spirit, is what matter most, what I meant the Holy Spirit, drink in the Holy Spirit, the tongue and wine become the things in the past and secondary!
There is place for the responsible and temperate usage of wine and tongue, rather, we must forbid the abuse or incessant use of them, that an individual who always has a bottle on the table and so addiction, or an individual always pray with tongue without orders in the church. Paul laid down, as a simple but infallible test, the witness which such an utterance bears to Jesus: "no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Corinthian 12:3) John later insisting in 1 John 4:2, "every spirit which confessed that Jesus Christ has come in the fresh is of God." Remember Christ is both God and man. Any effort to mix the kingdom of God with the old legalistic system is self-defeating.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Isaiah 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
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Written for the VPP drunkard
9.6.09
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Moderate drinking
The Book of Luke and wine drinking. Dr Luke had written in the Gospel about wine drinking. Firstly he talked about John the Baptist, Dr Luke said John will not drink any wine and strong drink.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Did Paul forbid drinking? What about other disciple? Like Peter and Dr Luke? Matthew Henry expounded about Paul's drinking view, those that would be filled with the Holy Ghost must be sober and temperate, and very moderate in the use of wine and strong drink; for that is it that fits him for this. Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit, with which that is not consistent, Matthew Henry said be moderate in drinking, not to be drunk in drunkenness.
Paul's view, he wrote in Eph. v. 18. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; be not drunk. He warns against the sin of drunkenness: And be not drunk with wine, this was a sin very frequent among the heathens; and particularly on occasion of the festivals of their gods, and more especially in their Bacchanalia: then they were wont to inflame themselves with wine, and all manner of inordinate lusts were consequent upon it: and therefore the apostle adds, wherein, or in which drunkenness, is excess. The word asotia may signify luxury or dissoluteness; and it is certain that drunkenness is no friend to chastity and purity of life, but it virtually contains all manner of extravagance, and transports men into gross sensuality and vile enormities.
Note, Drunkenness is a sin that seldom goes alone, but often involves men in other instances of guilt: it is a sin very provoking to God, and a great hindrance to the spiritual life. The apostle may mean all such intemperance and disorder as are opposite to the sober and prudent demeanor he intends in his advice, to redeem the time. Instead of being filled with wine, he exhorts them to be filled with the Spirit. Those who are full of drink are not likely to be full of the Spirit; and therefore this duty is opposed to the former sin.
The meaning of the exhortation is that men should labour for a plentiful measure of the graces of the Spirit, that would fill their souls with great joy, strength, and courage, which things sensual men expect their wine should inspire them with. We cannot be guilty of any excess in our endeavours after these: nay, we ought not to be satisfied with a little of the Spirit, but to be aspiring after measures, so as to be filled with the Spirit. Now by this means we shall come to understand what the will of the Lord is; for the Spirit of God is given as a Spirit of wisdom and of understanding. And because those who are filled with the Spirit will be carried out in acts of devotion, and all the proper expressions of it, therefore the apostle exhorts, To sing unto the Lord, v. 19. Drunkards are wont to sing obscene and profane songs. The heathens, in their Bacchanalia, used to sing hymns to Bacchus, whom they called the god of wine. Thus they expressed their joy; but the joy of Christians should express itself in songs of praise to their God. In these they should speak to themselves in their assemblies and meetings together, for mutual edification. .......v. 20. We are appointed to sing psalms, &c., for the expression of our thankfulness to God; but, though we are not always singing, we should never want a disposition for this duty, as we never want matter for it. We must continue it throughout the whole course of our lives; and we should give thanks for all things; not only for spiritual blessings enjoyed, and eternal ones expected (for what of the former we have in hand, and for what of the other we have in hope), but for temporal mercies too; not only for our comforts, but also for our sanctified afflictions; not only for what immediately concerns ourselves, but for the instances of God's kindness and favour to others also. It is our duty in every thing to give thanks unto God and the Father, to God as the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in him, in whose name we are to offer up all our prayers, and praises, and spiritual services, that they may be acceptable to God. (Exposition from Matthew Henry)
What about Jesus Christ's comment on drinking?
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Jesus Christ is Spirit filled.
Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
Luke 5:34 And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
Jesus was defending his disciples in eating and drinking! He explained what kind of their drinking habit is all about! Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better. Jesus Christ descripted the taste of Old Wine, because He said and agreed Old wine is better! Taste better! The old is better; Matthew Henry wrote, for, though it does not give its colour so well in the cup, yet it is more warming in the stomach and more wholesome. Christ's disciples, though they had not so much of the form of godliness, had more of the power of it.
Next Jesus is more concerned the inner heart than the old wine!
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
The reigning love of God and Christ in the heart denominates a man a good man; and it is a good treasure a man may bring forth that which is good. But where the love of the world and the flesh reign there is an evil treasure in the heart, out of which an evil man is continually bringing forth that which is evil; and by what is brought forth you may know what is in the heart, as you may know what is in the vessel, water or wine, by what is drawn out from it, John ii. 8. Of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks; what the mouth ordinarily speaks, speaks with relish and delight, generally agrees with what is innermost and uppermost in the heart: He that speaks of the earth is earthly, John iii. 31. Not but that a good man may possibly drop a bad word, and a wicked man make use of a good word to serve a bad turn; but, for the most part, the heart is as the words are, vain or serious; it therefore concerns us to get our hearts filled, not only with good, but with abundance of it.
Dr Luke continue in writing the drinking habit with the Son of Man!
Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
By this it appears that the ministers of Christ may be of very different tempers and dispositions, very different ways of preaching and living, and yet all good and useful; diversity of gifts, but each given to profit withal. Some even called Him as a winebibber!
Luke 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Does Jesus Christ drinks? Dr Luke did not wrote about His drinking directly, or heard from Jesus Christ, that He forbid drinking totally, neither wine or strong drink! What Dr Luke focus next is about the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
Luke 10:34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Dr Luke continue in writing on his finding about wine in his culture and living. Wine is used to wash the wound of the wounded, it is normal on those days, even a Samaritan brings along a bottle of wine! Strong wine can be a antiseptic for the fresh wound.
Dr Luke continue in his writing about all things are cleansed! Luke 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
And He continue in rebuking some lawyers lade men with burdens. Luke 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Here in Luke 13:26, Jesus expounded the drinking habit in his time.
13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
They drink even in front of Jesus Christ, in His presence they drunk, but Jesus did not rebuke them at that moment! He allowed it. But Jesus know every one of them throughout. Like Judas ate bread with Christ, dipped with him in the dish. Hypocrites, under the disguise of their external profession, receive the Lord's supper, and in it partake of the children's bread, as if they were children. They had been Christ's hearers, had received instruction from him, and were well acquainted with his doctrine and law: "Thou hast taught in our streets--a distinguishing favour, which few had, and surely it might be taken as a pledge of distinguishing favour now; for wouldest thou teach us, and not save us?"
The point is Jesus was requesting them to follow morale laws. Not to become a drunkard at last and then losing the heaven at great cost!
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. The moral law is confirmed and ratified, and not one tittle of that fails; the duties enjoined by it are duties still; the sins forbidden by it are sins still.
He did not preach to us, asking us to pursue a perfect Bible, or a perfect underlying texts, but here He is requesting us to keep the morale law, the VPP theologians misquoted this verse to support their Verbal Plenary Preservation view. "Jot and title" actually referring to the morale laws in Old Testament.
Luke 20:9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. Jesus used the parable, He said even God is compared to an owner of vineyard.
21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
In suffering do not drink until you are drunk! Simple!
Take heed lest you be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness, the immoderate use of meat and drink, which burden the heart, not only with the guilt thereby contracted, but by the ill influence which such disorders of the body have upon the mind; they make men dull and lifeless to their duty, dead and listless in their duty; they stupid the conscience, and cause the mind to be unaffected with those things that are most affecting. (2.) The inordinate pursuit of the good things of this world. The heart is overcharged with the cares of this life. The former is the snare of those that are given to their pleasures: this is the snare of the men of business, that will be rich. We have need to guard on both hands, not only lest at the time when death comes, but lest at any time our hearts should be thus overcharged. Our caution against sin, and our care of our own souls, must be constant. ........Do not drink too much wine until getting drunk, and live like a drunkard!
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. ...Jesus preferred wine than tea?
The kingdom of God is now so near being set up that you will not need to eat or drink any more till it comes.
Luke 23:36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar..
They made sport with him, and made a jest of his sufferings; and when they were drinking sharp sour wine themselves, such as was generally allotted them, they triumphantly asked him if he would pledge them, or drink with them. Jesus tasted that sharp sour wine on the cross!
Paul rebuked those who fallen in drunkenness continually. 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Titus does not encourage people in taking much wine, Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Peter was angy with a drunkard, 1 Peter 4:3, For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
These disciples all has a same point, moderate in drinking!
Paul draw out the conditions in eating and drinking:
Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
One day a young man met a pastor from a Bible Presbyterian Church, he told the old pastor, "I have backache, i am very weak." The old pastor told the young man, a Chinese remedy, buy a few bottles of gin and some Chinese herds, and then put the herds into the gin, and keep it for some time, and drink it, and then go and serve the Lord, work diligently, and evangelize the world with it!
Some theologians are saying at the noon day, "I am getting drunk with these false theology. Oop...my VPP bottles...where are they? Every step you take... I am watching you..."
Conclusion:
Moderate in drinking.
Bible warns against the sin of drunkenness.
Be considerate of other in drinking and eating.
Do not drunk with false theology.
The Book of Luke and wine drinking. Dr Luke had written in the Gospel about wine drinking. Firstly he talked about John the Baptist, Dr Luke said John will not drink any wine and strong drink.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Did Paul forbid drinking? What about other disciple? Like Peter and Dr Luke? Matthew Henry expounded about Paul's drinking view, those that would be filled with the Holy Ghost must be sober and temperate, and very moderate in the use of wine and strong drink; for that is it that fits him for this. Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit, with which that is not consistent, Matthew Henry said be moderate in drinking, not to be drunk in drunkenness.
Paul's view, he wrote in Eph. v. 18. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; be not drunk. He warns against the sin of drunkenness: And be not drunk with wine, this was a sin very frequent among the heathens; and particularly on occasion of the festivals of their gods, and more especially in their Bacchanalia: then they were wont to inflame themselves with wine, and all manner of inordinate lusts were consequent upon it: and therefore the apostle adds, wherein, or in which drunkenness, is excess. The word asotia may signify luxury or dissoluteness; and it is certain that drunkenness is no friend to chastity and purity of life, but it virtually contains all manner of extravagance, and transports men into gross sensuality and vile enormities.
Note, Drunkenness is a sin that seldom goes alone, but often involves men in other instances of guilt: it is a sin very provoking to God, and a great hindrance to the spiritual life. The apostle may mean all such intemperance and disorder as are opposite to the sober and prudent demeanor he intends in his advice, to redeem the time. Instead of being filled with wine, he exhorts them to be filled with the Spirit. Those who are full of drink are not likely to be full of the Spirit; and therefore this duty is opposed to the former sin.
The meaning of the exhortation is that men should labour for a plentiful measure of the graces of the Spirit, that would fill their souls with great joy, strength, and courage, which things sensual men expect their wine should inspire them with. We cannot be guilty of any excess in our endeavours after these: nay, we ought not to be satisfied with a little of the Spirit, but to be aspiring after measures, so as to be filled with the Spirit. Now by this means we shall come to understand what the will of the Lord is; for the Spirit of God is given as a Spirit of wisdom and of understanding. And because those who are filled with the Spirit will be carried out in acts of devotion, and all the proper expressions of it, therefore the apostle exhorts, To sing unto the Lord, v. 19. Drunkards are wont to sing obscene and profane songs. The heathens, in their Bacchanalia, used to sing hymns to Bacchus, whom they called the god of wine. Thus they expressed their joy; but the joy of Christians should express itself in songs of praise to their God. In these they should speak to themselves in their assemblies and meetings together, for mutual edification. .......v. 20. We are appointed to sing psalms, &c., for the expression of our thankfulness to God; but, though we are not always singing, we should never want a disposition for this duty, as we never want matter for it. We must continue it throughout the whole course of our lives; and we should give thanks for all things; not only for spiritual blessings enjoyed, and eternal ones expected (for what of the former we have in hand, and for what of the other we have in hope), but for temporal mercies too; not only for our comforts, but also for our sanctified afflictions; not only for what immediately concerns ourselves, but for the instances of God's kindness and favour to others also. It is our duty in every thing to give thanks unto God and the Father, to God as the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in him, in whose name we are to offer up all our prayers, and praises, and spiritual services, that they may be acceptable to God. (Exposition from Matthew Henry)
What about Jesus Christ's comment on drinking?
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Jesus Christ is Spirit filled.
Luke 5:33 And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
Luke 5:34 And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
Jesus was defending his disciples in eating and drinking! He explained what kind of their drinking habit is all about! Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better. Jesus Christ descripted the taste of Old Wine, because He said and agreed Old wine is better! Taste better! The old is better; Matthew Henry wrote, for, though it does not give its colour so well in the cup, yet it is more warming in the stomach and more wholesome. Christ's disciples, though they had not so much of the form of godliness, had more of the power of it.
Next Jesus is more concerned the inner heart than the old wine!
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
The reigning love of God and Christ in the heart denominates a man a good man; and it is a good treasure a man may bring forth that which is good. But where the love of the world and the flesh reign there is an evil treasure in the heart, out of which an evil man is continually bringing forth that which is evil; and by what is brought forth you may know what is in the heart, as you may know what is in the vessel, water or wine, by what is drawn out from it, John ii. 8. Of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks; what the mouth ordinarily speaks, speaks with relish and delight, generally agrees with what is innermost and uppermost in the heart: He that speaks of the earth is earthly, John iii. 31. Not but that a good man may possibly drop a bad word, and a wicked man make use of a good word to serve a bad turn; but, for the most part, the heart is as the words are, vain or serious; it therefore concerns us to get our hearts filled, not only with good, but with abundance of it.
Dr Luke continue in writing the drinking habit with the Son of Man!
Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
By this it appears that the ministers of Christ may be of very different tempers and dispositions, very different ways of preaching and living, and yet all good and useful; diversity of gifts, but each given to profit withal. Some even called Him as a winebibber!
Luke 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
Does Jesus Christ drinks? Dr Luke did not wrote about His drinking directly, or heard from Jesus Christ, that He forbid drinking totally, neither wine or strong drink! What Dr Luke focus next is about the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
Luke 10:34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Dr Luke continue in writing on his finding about wine in his culture and living. Wine is used to wash the wound of the wounded, it is normal on those days, even a Samaritan brings along a bottle of wine! Strong wine can be a antiseptic for the fresh wound.
Dr Luke continue in his writing about all things are cleansed! Luke 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
And He continue in rebuking some lawyers lade men with burdens. Luke 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Here in Luke 13:26, Jesus expounded the drinking habit in his time.
13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
They drink even in front of Jesus Christ, in His presence they drunk, but Jesus did not rebuke them at that moment! He allowed it. But Jesus know every one of them throughout. Like Judas ate bread with Christ, dipped with him in the dish. Hypocrites, under the disguise of their external profession, receive the Lord's supper, and in it partake of the children's bread, as if they were children. They had been Christ's hearers, had received instruction from him, and were well acquainted with his doctrine and law: "Thou hast taught in our streets--a distinguishing favour, which few had, and surely it might be taken as a pledge of distinguishing favour now; for wouldest thou teach us, and not save us?"
The point is Jesus was requesting them to follow morale laws. Not to become a drunkard at last and then losing the heaven at great cost!
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. The moral law is confirmed and ratified, and not one tittle of that fails; the duties enjoined by it are duties still; the sins forbidden by it are sins still.
He did not preach to us, asking us to pursue a perfect Bible, or a perfect underlying texts, but here He is requesting us to keep the morale law, the VPP theologians misquoted this verse to support their Verbal Plenary Preservation view. "Jot and title" actually referring to the morale laws in Old Testament.
Luke 20:9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. Jesus used the parable, He said even God is compared to an owner of vineyard.
21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
In suffering do not drink until you are drunk! Simple!
Take heed lest you be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness, the immoderate use of meat and drink, which burden the heart, not only with the guilt thereby contracted, but by the ill influence which such disorders of the body have upon the mind; they make men dull and lifeless to their duty, dead and listless in their duty; they stupid the conscience, and cause the mind to be unaffected with those things that are most affecting. (2.) The inordinate pursuit of the good things of this world. The heart is overcharged with the cares of this life. The former is the snare of those that are given to their pleasures: this is the snare of the men of business, that will be rich. We have need to guard on both hands, not only lest at the time when death comes, but lest at any time our hearts should be thus overcharged. Our caution against sin, and our care of our own souls, must be constant. ........Do not drink too much wine until getting drunk, and live like a drunkard!
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. ...Jesus preferred wine than tea?
The kingdom of God is now so near being set up that you will not need to eat or drink any more till it comes.
Luke 23:36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar..
They made sport with him, and made a jest of his sufferings; and when they were drinking sharp sour wine themselves, such as was generally allotted them, they triumphantly asked him if he would pledge them, or drink with them. Jesus tasted that sharp sour wine on the cross!
Paul rebuked those who fallen in drunkenness continually. 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Titus does not encourage people in taking much wine, Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Peter was angy with a drunkard, 1 Peter 4:3, For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
These disciples all has a same point, moderate in drinking!
Paul draw out the conditions in eating and drinking:
Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
One day a young man met a pastor from a Bible Presbyterian Church, he told the old pastor, "I have backache, i am very weak." The old pastor told the young man, a Chinese remedy, buy a few bottles of gin and some Chinese herds, and then put the herds into the gin, and keep it for some time, and drink it, and then go and serve the Lord, work diligently, and evangelize the world with it!
Some theologians are saying at the noon day, "I am getting drunk with these false theology. Oop...my VPP bottles...where are they? Every step you take... I am watching you..."
Conclusion:
Moderate in drinking.
Bible warns against the sin of drunkenness.
Be considerate of other in drinking and eating.
Do not drunk with false theology.
3.6.09
Turn around
Was there any perfect, preserved junk food in first century Christianity? No! They were eating healthy natural food. And then they evangelise the world until they die in it, and they were happy with it!
I see a true Christian does not support terrorism and communism, because they promote murders and hatred. Paul does not want us to be a terrorist and communist, he wanted us to be a salt and light for this world.
Even now Christian theologians kill one another in the church and Bible colleges for a few missing pages of manuscripts, hating one another in the church because of a few missing words, man and wife split and divorce for a few missing kisses, son and daughter fight with one another for a few missing books!
Turn around to Jeremiah 9....
If God give to the man, son and daughter as a inheritance to that man, but why sometime his wife died in laboring his son and daughter? The is a deep thing, I do not understand why...
Furthermore, many pastor's wives are very weak, they are weakened, their health are ignored by the husband and the congregation...the end time is a time of falling away, husband falling away from God and wife! Husband must love your wife without condition!
God promised to Abram he will has many sons, when he was still without a child, my son aren't you have many sons and daughters, aren't you have many blessings, many Bible, many properties, much food and places to stay, aren't you give thank to God, be strong in the Lord, and that God, He is your portion of blessing, eternal God, bless you with everlasting blessing.
Your wife is your portion of blessing, keep away from fornication!
Why you are dissatisfy with the Bibles you have in your hands, aren't those many Bible versions are a blessing to you?
Do you also a fallen away?
I see a true Christian does not support terrorism and communism, because they promote murders and hatred. Paul does not want us to be a terrorist and communist, he wanted us to be a salt and light for this world.
Even now Christian theologians kill one another in the church and Bible colleges for a few missing pages of manuscripts, hating one another in the church because of a few missing words, man and wife split and divorce for a few missing kisses, son and daughter fight with one another for a few missing books!
Turn around to Jeremiah 9....
If God give to the man, son and daughter as a inheritance to that man, but why sometime his wife died in laboring his son and daughter? The is a deep thing, I do not understand why...
Furthermore, many pastor's wives are very weak, they are weakened, their health are ignored by the husband and the congregation...the end time is a time of falling away, husband falling away from God and wife! Husband must love your wife without condition!
God promised to Abram he will has many sons, when he was still without a child, my son aren't you have many sons and daughters, aren't you have many blessings, many Bible, many properties, much food and places to stay, aren't you give thank to God, be strong in the Lord, and that God, He is your portion of blessing, eternal God, bless you with everlasting blessing.
Your wife is your portion of blessing, keep away from fornication!
Why you are dissatisfy with the Bibles you have in your hands, aren't those many Bible versions are a blessing to you?
Do you also a fallen away?
The perfection is coming soon
Hebrew 10:37, “For in just a very little while.“He who is coming will come and will not delay”
This verse is quoted from Habakkuk 2:3-4, with the Septuagints in mind. We must wait for Him by faith. He is not delaying without purpose, He wants us to live by faith. Keep waiting by faith!
Who is that perfection? Jesus Christ is coming soon, Paul wrote about this again in 1Corinthians 13:10, “but when the perfection comes, the imperfect disappears”
Who is this perfection? When we read verse 12, we are sure, we knew that Paul mentioned this perfection is referring to Christ, he used this phase “face to face,” this perfection is not anything, but God's Son, Jesus Christ.
Who are we to meet face to face in the future? This is referring to Christ. When Christ returned the second time, all the Bible verses and revelations will be fully understood by the believers.
God wanted us to hold on with what we have, Revelation 2:25, “Only hold on to what you have until I come” In other word, do not quarrel about what you do not have!
Beware of the rebuke of the Lord, The Lord rebuke the devil in Jude 9 for Devil quarrel for the body of Moses.
That is why the Lord wanted us to pray like this, “°Give us today our daily bread” (Matthew 6:11) We are to live by faith! My son, keep yourself from terrorism, communism and VPP!
The perfection is coming soon, KJV is not that perfection, its underlying text is not that perfection, and do not quarrel on this and that manuscripts, do not think that the perfection is already come, not yet, He is coming soon, keep watching for Him!
Aren't we, the Just must lived by faith, and faith come by the word from the mouth of God! Amen!
Please do not confuse the believers, may God bless the theologians!
This verse is quoted from Habakkuk 2:3-4, with the Septuagints in mind. We must wait for Him by faith. He is not delaying without purpose, He wants us to live by faith. Keep waiting by faith!
Who is that perfection? Jesus Christ is coming soon, Paul wrote about this again in 1Corinthians 13:10, “but when the perfection comes, the imperfect disappears”
Who is this perfection? When we read verse 12, we are sure, we knew that Paul mentioned this perfection is referring to Christ, he used this phase “face to face,” this perfection is not anything, but God's Son, Jesus Christ.
Who are we to meet face to face in the future? This is referring to Christ. When Christ returned the second time, all the Bible verses and revelations will be fully understood by the believers.
God wanted us to hold on with what we have, Revelation 2:25, “Only hold on to what you have until I come” In other word, do not quarrel about what you do not have!
Beware of the rebuke of the Lord, The Lord rebuke the devil in Jude 9 for Devil quarrel for the body of Moses.
That is why the Lord wanted us to pray like this, “°Give us today our daily bread” (Matthew 6:11) We are to live by faith! My son, keep yourself from terrorism, communism and VPP!
The perfection is coming soon, KJV is not that perfection, its underlying text is not that perfection, and do not quarrel on this and that manuscripts, do not think that the perfection is already come, not yet, He is coming soon, keep watching for Him!
Aren't we, the Just must lived by faith, and faith come by the word from the mouth of God! Amen!
Please do not confuse the believers, may God bless the theologians!
Communism
A Christian does not promoting communism, because communism does not believe in a living God!
A Christian does not believe in Communism, reject it!
A Christian does not believe in Communism, reject it!
Verbal Plenary Preservation (VPP) is refuted
Up to this time, we had looked into the book of Revelation in seeking the truth about the Bible in end time.
The writer find that the theologians who claimed that the Word of God is only preserved in the underlying text of King James Version are in err and this VPP will be refuted.
They claimed that these Greek and Hebrew underlying texts are as perfect as the original. And they said they had found the perfect Text of the Bible in these underlying Texts of KJV. And so they continue in attacking other Bible versions, until the church split because of these extremists. And so the writer continue in searching the truth to refute them.
In Matthew 4:4, “Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God” According to Jesus Christ, man must depend on bread, the physical food, and the word that comes from the mouth of God, the spiritual food”. Christian needed these two things to live on earth, beside air and water.
The Lord mentioned in Matthew 4:4
1. Physical food
2. Spiritual food
There are so much food on earth, so many types of food, my question is how to choose a suitable physical food for Christian? Are we Christian have any rule in choosing physical food, yes, we have, it is in the Bible.
Choice of physical food in Acts 11:7-9
God allowed Christian to take all kind of food in the beginning:
1. Peter was asked BY THE LORD to take every food even those unclean food mentioned in Old Testament.
2. Acts 11:7-9, then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter, kill and eat.”“I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean”
3. The is no food unclean or rejected, we are to accept with thanksgiving, (1 Tim 4:4, food are created to be received with thanksgiving.)
4. Furthermore, and because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. (1 Tim 4:5)
Choice of physical food in Acts 15:20
“°BE YE HOLY, because THE LORD who called you IS HOLY” The church later had a first council meeting, they all agreed in lightening the load or burden of the new believers. Making things simple. Easy to understand. Stop the confusions. They laid down 4 rules.
1. The congregation had a meeting in Acts 15:20, and they wanted the new believer to follow these 4 rules.
2. Reading, Acts 15:20, “Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from the blood”
3. These rules applied to the pagan who believed in Christ. Like the Chinese.
4. To keep themselves holy and pure, they are to refrain from taking these physical food and abstain from doing these things mentioned in Acts 15:20
1. Refrain from taking food offered to idols, to have nothing to do with idols worshiping, (1 Corinthians 8:10)
2. Refrain from taking blood, blood is symbol of life, (Leviticus 1:5)
3. Refrain from taking any food strangled, the strangled animals have blood in the body, same with rule number 2.
4. Refrain from sexual immorality. (Leviticus 18)
These four rules applied to all new believers. God did not lay down many rules or conditions for the new believers in choosing food, the council only laid down few rules for food taking, they are to refrain or abstain from taking those food mentioned in the council meeting. And then the council laid down the 4th rule, to abstain from sexual immorality.
The church laid down these simple 4 basic rules in choosing food, I think this also apply to spiritual food, we are going to apply these four simple rules in refuting VPP. They are called to be faithful.
There is no food called perfect food in the first century. There is no food called preserved food in New Testament. They eat natural food. There is no such thing called “manna” in Israel at Jesus' time. Jesus is called the hidden manna. He is called the bread from heaven. He is the bread of life!
In keeping those 4 rules in Acts 15:20, all food is edible for Peter, and for all the apostles, and for us. All food is edible, accept those refrained food.
4 rules in seeking the Spiritual food
Since Jesus said man need physical food and spiritual food in Matthew 4:4. In this same verse, he mentioned we must also live with “every word from the mouth of God” Since there are rules in choosing food, how about choosing spiritual food? Do we have rules in choosing a faithful Bible version? How to choose a spiritual food correctly? Or simply ask the theologians, how to choose a faithful Bible for the new believer?
“In searching the word come from the mouth of God” We have to also apply these four rules mentioned in Acts 15:20, it is also applied on the choice of the spiritual food, every word from the mouth of God.
How do we know we have that a faithful Bible version that has “Every word that comes from the mouth of God” How to choose a Bible version for a young believer? How to choose a faithful Bible translation? How to do a faithful Bible translation? Since the church laid down tho 4 rules in the beginning of Christianity, I rather stick to those 4 simple rules in choosing a faithful Bible version.
According to Acts 15:20, these are the rules for the new believers. To keep holy, they are to refrain from taking these physical food and do not do these things. These rule applied on present Christian, in choosing the better and faithful Bible versions,
1. Refrain from reading any Bible offered to the idols, to have nothing to do with idols. worshiping, (1 Corinthians 8:10) This meant we have to choose a Bible version or translation, which is not promoting idols worshiping. Greed is a type of idolatry.
2. Refrain from reading any Bible versions which promoting blood eating, blood is symbol of life, (Leviticus 1:5). This also means we are to refrain from reading any Bible versions which is promoting violence and terrorism, racism, murdering, hatred...communism...
3. Refrain from reading any Bible which promoting people to eat strangled animals, the strangled animals have blood in the body, same with rule number 2.
4. Refrain from reading any Bible version which is promoting sexual immorality. (refer to Leviticus 18), we are abstain from homosexual, adultery, fornication's and premature sex.
Conclusion:
In choosing a faithful Bible version, we have to applied at least these 4 simple rules from Acts 15:20, I hope we all may agreed, not all Bible versions are faithful in translation. Some Bible versions are closer to the original meaning, so I pray the theologians may stick to these 4 basic rules in searching the “every word from the mouth of God”
Accept those Bible versions which are not violating Acts 15:20 !Do not forbid people from reading CUV! NKJV! ESV! NIV!
The writer find that the theologians who claimed that the Word of God is only preserved in the underlying text of King James Version are in err and this VPP will be refuted.
They claimed that these Greek and Hebrew underlying texts are as perfect as the original. And they said they had found the perfect Text of the Bible in these underlying Texts of KJV. And so they continue in attacking other Bible versions, until the church split because of these extremists. And so the writer continue in searching the truth to refute them.
In Matthew 4:4, “Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God” According to Jesus Christ, man must depend on bread, the physical food, and the word that comes from the mouth of God, the spiritual food”. Christian needed these two things to live on earth, beside air and water.
The Lord mentioned in Matthew 4:4
1. Physical food
2. Spiritual food
There are so much food on earth, so many types of food, my question is how to choose a suitable physical food for Christian? Are we Christian have any rule in choosing physical food, yes, we have, it is in the Bible.
Choice of physical food in Acts 11:7-9
God allowed Christian to take all kind of food in the beginning:
1. Peter was asked BY THE LORD to take every food even those unclean food mentioned in Old Testament.
2. Acts 11:7-9, then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter, kill and eat.”“I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean”
3. The is no food unclean or rejected, we are to accept with thanksgiving, (1 Tim 4:4, food are created to be received with thanksgiving.)
4. Furthermore, and because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. (1 Tim 4:5)
Choice of physical food in Acts 15:20
“°BE YE HOLY, because THE LORD who called you IS HOLY” The church later had a first council meeting, they all agreed in lightening the load or burden of the new believers. Making things simple. Easy to understand. Stop the confusions. They laid down 4 rules.
1. The congregation had a meeting in Acts 15:20, and they wanted the new believer to follow these 4 rules.
2. Reading, Acts 15:20, “Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from the blood”
3. These rules applied to the pagan who believed in Christ. Like the Chinese.
4. To keep themselves holy and pure, they are to refrain from taking these physical food and abstain from doing these things mentioned in Acts 15:20
1. Refrain from taking food offered to idols, to have nothing to do with idols worshiping, (1 Corinthians 8:10)
2. Refrain from taking blood, blood is symbol of life, (Leviticus 1:5)
3. Refrain from taking any food strangled, the strangled animals have blood in the body, same with rule number 2.
4. Refrain from sexual immorality. (Leviticus 18)
These four rules applied to all new believers. God did not lay down many rules or conditions for the new believers in choosing food, the council only laid down few rules for food taking, they are to refrain or abstain from taking those food mentioned in the council meeting. And then the council laid down the 4th rule, to abstain from sexual immorality.
The church laid down these simple 4 basic rules in choosing food, I think this also apply to spiritual food, we are going to apply these four simple rules in refuting VPP. They are called to be faithful.
There is no food called perfect food in the first century. There is no food called preserved food in New Testament. They eat natural food. There is no such thing called “manna” in Israel at Jesus' time. Jesus is called the hidden manna. He is called the bread from heaven. He is the bread of life!
In keeping those 4 rules in Acts 15:20, all food is edible for Peter, and for all the apostles, and for us. All food is edible, accept those refrained food.
4 rules in seeking the Spiritual food
Since Jesus said man need physical food and spiritual food in Matthew 4:4. In this same verse, he mentioned we must also live with “every word from the mouth of God” Since there are rules in choosing food, how about choosing spiritual food? Do we have rules in choosing a faithful Bible version? How to choose a spiritual food correctly? Or simply ask the theologians, how to choose a faithful Bible for the new believer?
“In searching the word come from the mouth of God” We have to also apply these four rules mentioned in Acts 15:20, it is also applied on the choice of the spiritual food, every word from the mouth of God.
How do we know we have that a faithful Bible version that has “Every word that comes from the mouth of God” How to choose a Bible version for a young believer? How to choose a faithful Bible translation? How to do a faithful Bible translation? Since the church laid down tho 4 rules in the beginning of Christianity, I rather stick to those 4 simple rules in choosing a faithful Bible version.
According to Acts 15:20, these are the rules for the new believers. To keep holy, they are to refrain from taking these physical food and do not do these things. These rule applied on present Christian, in choosing the better and faithful Bible versions,
1. Refrain from reading any Bible offered to the idols, to have nothing to do with idols. worshiping, (1 Corinthians 8:10) This meant we have to choose a Bible version or translation, which is not promoting idols worshiping. Greed is a type of idolatry.
2. Refrain from reading any Bible versions which promoting blood eating, blood is symbol of life, (Leviticus 1:5). This also means we are to refrain from reading any Bible versions which is promoting violence and terrorism, racism, murdering, hatred...communism...
3. Refrain from reading any Bible which promoting people to eat strangled animals, the strangled animals have blood in the body, same with rule number 2.
4. Refrain from reading any Bible version which is promoting sexual immorality. (refer to Leviticus 18), we are abstain from homosexual, adultery, fornication's and premature sex.
Conclusion:
In choosing a faithful Bible version, we have to applied at least these 4 simple rules from Acts 15:20, I hope we all may agreed, not all Bible versions are faithful in translation. Some Bible versions are closer to the original meaning, so I pray the theologians may stick to these 4 basic rules in searching the “every word from the mouth of God”
Accept those Bible versions which are not violating Acts 15:20 !Do not forbid people from reading CUV! NKJV! ESV! NIV!
27.5.09
First thing to pray for
As Christian we are commanded to pray for our higher authority, and most important at the last days is to pray for the kings and queens so that they will not be tempted to pratice terrorism, or they are hijacked or black mailed and control by the terrorists.
May God give long life to our kings and their family members. May God prolong their lives. Amen.
May God give long life to our kings and their family members. May God prolong their lives. Amen.
24.5.09
Pastor and a terrorist wife
The end time is a dangerous time. The pastor may taken a wrong wife to be his wife, so I write this before hand to the sons and daughters who are living in the end time.
A pastor is a christian, he is a Christ's follower, he must trust in God, and he some time may mistakenly taken a terrorist as a wife, under this circumstance hes is living under great pressure, great danger, to live with the wife who is following the terrorism.
“°What if the pastor's wife is a terrorist”¡± This is a question never asked in seminary, but this can be true. This is possible in the end time. The wife was probably under the grips of terrorist under some cruel men, she may be living under a threat from he terrorist, so she become a under covered agent for the terrorist, maybe her private pictures may had been taken, these pictures have become a black mail to the woman, or her family member's life is in danger, the terrorist black mailed her to work for them, or her brother's life is under the control of the terrorist, so the wife succumb and fell prey to the terrorist. The woman married to the pastor maybe controlled by the terrorist.
The woman probably has a double faces life, she is living like a angel and another time she is living like a demon, she may be a saint and a prostitute at the same time, she become a worshipper in the Lord's day but at the other day she sold her life to the world. She is the husband's wound. She ruined her husband ministry and life. And then there are times she was called to over turn her husband from doing the duties as pastor.
1. She is not spiritually filled. The devil taken her foot hold. She is demon processed, exorcism needed to free her.
2. The pastor was tempted to fell in love with her because of her beauty. And she is becoming a temptation to him. And he is living under lust and lust has taken him. The is the weapon the terrorist will use to attack the pastor, a beautiful lady, beware.
3. The wife, because she is the terrorist, sooner and later she will be practising her terror in the marriage, and because she is a undercover agents, and she has another man in her heart from the past, and the pastor is not her husband spiritually, the pastor husband knew she is not close with him heartily, but it is too late, the family life become a sacrifice to the terrorism.
4. The husband has to take time to understand her wife, when he knew her wife, it is too late, they had given birth to sons and daughters. It is too late to called a divorce. The sons and daughter will become another victims.
5. And the wife had to follow the man behind her shadow, the terrorist, and she cannot follow her husband, the pastor's command is over turn, time after time, sooner and later, the husband will find out the problem in living with a woman who try to overturned Christianity, a woman who stopped and cancelled prayer meeting anytime she like to, a woman who over turn worship service with many plans and devices, in disturbing the worshipper with bad music, with cries and sadness, she makes the worship a contempt to the Lord, and she controlled the ministry with her will, and the woman times after times she makes the church without financial support, she stolen money from the church, and she is living as a greatest thorn to her husband, and she is happy in destroying the church, she is good in ignoring the fellowship, she will ignore the Sunday school, she will changed the time of the prayer meeting whenever she likes, she will stopped the family worship any time she likes, she will not do the visiting to any home, all these are mean less to the wife, the wife wanted other things than these spiritual things, she wanted the world, money and lust. And she is over turning the husband to follow her, with her outlooks and clothes.
6. She kept another man as her lover, and secretly the terrorist, another man control their marriage. The terrorist control the pastor though the wife as a proxy. The wife sometime had secret meeting with her secret lover the terrorist by phone, by secret meetings at work place, and sometime the wife send money secret to the terrorist in supporting the terrorism. The husband cannot do anyhting accept showing frustration through quarrels, to protest, but these quarrels cannot solve his problem at all, he is controlled by the terrorist, but the pastor husband does not have any proof to prove his conviction. No one will come to help the pastor, no one will believe a pastor had taken a terrorist as his wife.
7. The wife had taken the husband's finance resources in control, under the name or for the sake in caring the sons and daughter, she control the husband's incomes and expenses, and so she control the ministry, if the ministry is a pioneering work, this will become worsen, she is the one who run the ministry, by the her mercy, the wife may bring up and down to the ministry according to her will. The husband cannot divorce her according to his work, his belief, his testimony, his God does not allow any such divorce, so the wife usurp the power like a man, she control and lead her husband, she controls her husband in finance and authority, and she makes her husband as a donkey to ride where she want to. She ruined the servant of God, and she destroyed the work as a pastor. She even sometime tempted the husband to give up the good work as a servant of God, rather to work for the secular work. For this I say, it is better for a man not to take a wife, like the Romans Catholic. Like Paul who kept single some say. “°I you have wife do not ask for a divorce, if you are single it is better not to ask for a wife!”±8. The pastor has to be long suffering in living with a terrorist, he has the enemy in his closet, the enemy is sleeping next to him in the bed, the enemy bear sons and daughter to him, and the enemy brought constant danger to the pastor, the enemy is his wife, the Bible said, the fresh in his fresh, and the bone in her bone had become the terrorist. The husband indirectly was force to kill himself, and the pastor must be killed secretly, in sickness, in road accident, in suicide, and in what ever meant, the terrorist wanted the wife to kill the husband at last. No one come to help the pastor.
9. The terrorist drained all money, love, sex from the woman married to the pastor. The pastor was living in poverty. The pastor are living with a dried well, the wife taken everything the husband needed most from his wife woman, but the woman he loved had given these to another man, the terrorist. The pastor lived in sadness, he cried to God, the Adonai.
10. The wife will not obey her husband, but she wanted the husband to follow her where she wants to, what she wanted to do the husband must obey her, if not the wife is good in turning over her husband in giving many reason, until the husband gives up his decision. This is an over turn, great pressure in following a terrorist wife, even the pastor ws tempted to killed himself. May God help him.
11. The terrorist wife as a secret agent, are well trained by the devils and demons, she is covered up, people will not believe, if you say she is a terrorist, people will not believe she is so cruel to the husband, and this the end time, a dangerous time on earth, give thank to God if you have found a good wife, if you found your wife is not a terrorist, give a thousand thanks to God, you have found favor in God.
12. In the future, the time is becoming more and more dangerous, ex specially to the pastor, who are single, beware, in choosing a wife, in walking the narrow way, see no one taken a terrorist as a wife, if he does, he found troubles for himself. May God lead us not to temptation!
13. The pastor has to over turn his terrorist wife, a task. But it is impossible, unless the Lord helps. They are living in a warfare, the wife and husband influencing one and another, it is like iron sharpen iron. Let pray so that the pastor will makes the wife repent from terrorism and become a Christian wife.
14. There is a time to born and a time to die, I pray for the theologians, who are reading Bible, give grace to the people who are reading CUV, NKJV, NIV, and even ESV. In this dangerous time, it is good for you to stick to a Bible version which is closest to the original autograph or the perfect Bible, if you do not have the perfect Bible, do not ask for a perfect Bible. Stand fast in the Lord, for the warfare is great!
15. I say with a heavy heart to see theologians are like the secular politicians who are proclaiming empty promises, this is to say about the Verbal Plenary Preservation, who is dare to say he has the perfect Bible in the end time.
16. Many are praying the Lord, Lord, Lord, only a few to be chosen, and many people pray that the Lord to come, maranatha, may the Lord come soon, but they do not want to pray for the coming of the great wars, hungers, earthquakes, sickness, rumours of wars, pray for the abomination of desolation, standing in the holy place, they do not want to pray for the coming of the tribulations, they do not want to pray for coming events in the end time. (Matthew chapter 24). Pray for the coming events of the end time and prepared for them.
17. Some do not want to pray for the gospel to the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole world, but rather indulged themselves in endless genealogies of Bible versions....this is a waste of time and energy, my sons, be strong in the Lord, and let go the VPP, the end time events do not need such a perfect Bible, what we need is the faith kept pure in all age, that faith is only be found in the Lord Jesus Christ, no other places. Amen.
18. Beware there is false Christ and false prophets, and there are signs and wonders, even the elect are tempted to believed in them. Some pastors who in later time mistaken a terrorist as his wife.....
See that no one lead you astray (Matthew 24:4) Do not take a terrorist as your wife, chose your partner with two opened eyes. Amen.
A pastor is a christian, he is a Christ's follower, he must trust in God, and he some time may mistakenly taken a terrorist as a wife, under this circumstance hes is living under great pressure, great danger, to live with the wife who is following the terrorism.
“°What if the pastor's wife is a terrorist”¡± This is a question never asked in seminary, but this can be true. This is possible in the end time. The wife was probably under the grips of terrorist under some cruel men, she may be living under a threat from he terrorist, so she become a under covered agent for the terrorist, maybe her private pictures may had been taken, these pictures have become a black mail to the woman, or her family member's life is in danger, the terrorist black mailed her to work for them, or her brother's life is under the control of the terrorist, so the wife succumb and fell prey to the terrorist. The woman married to the pastor maybe controlled by the terrorist.
The woman probably has a double faces life, she is living like a angel and another time she is living like a demon, she may be a saint and a prostitute at the same time, she become a worshipper in the Lord's day but at the other day she sold her life to the world. She is the husband's wound. She ruined her husband ministry and life. And then there are times she was called to over turn her husband from doing the duties as pastor.
1. She is not spiritually filled. The devil taken her foot hold. She is demon processed, exorcism needed to free her.
2. The pastor was tempted to fell in love with her because of her beauty. And she is becoming a temptation to him. And he is living under lust and lust has taken him. The is the weapon the terrorist will use to attack the pastor, a beautiful lady, beware.
3. The wife, because she is the terrorist, sooner and later she will be practising her terror in the marriage, and because she is a undercover agents, and she has another man in her heart from the past, and the pastor is not her husband spiritually, the pastor husband knew she is not close with him heartily, but it is too late, the family life become a sacrifice to the terrorism.
4. The husband has to take time to understand her wife, when he knew her wife, it is too late, they had given birth to sons and daughters. It is too late to called a divorce. The sons and daughter will become another victims.
5. And the wife had to follow the man behind her shadow, the terrorist, and she cannot follow her husband, the pastor's command is over turn, time after time, sooner and later, the husband will find out the problem in living with a woman who try to overturned Christianity, a woman who stopped and cancelled prayer meeting anytime she like to, a woman who over turn worship service with many plans and devices, in disturbing the worshipper with bad music, with cries and sadness, she makes the worship a contempt to the Lord, and she controlled the ministry with her will, and the woman times after times she makes the church without financial support, she stolen money from the church, and she is living as a greatest thorn to her husband, and she is happy in destroying the church, she is good in ignoring the fellowship, she will ignore the Sunday school, she will changed the time of the prayer meeting whenever she likes, she will stopped the family worship any time she likes, she will not do the visiting to any home, all these are mean less to the wife, the wife wanted other things than these spiritual things, she wanted the world, money and lust. And she is over turning the husband to follow her, with her outlooks and clothes.
6. She kept another man as her lover, and secretly the terrorist, another man control their marriage. The terrorist control the pastor though the wife as a proxy. The wife sometime had secret meeting with her secret lover the terrorist by phone, by secret meetings at work place, and sometime the wife send money secret to the terrorist in supporting the terrorism. The husband cannot do anyhting accept showing frustration through quarrels, to protest, but these quarrels cannot solve his problem at all, he is controlled by the terrorist, but the pastor husband does not have any proof to prove his conviction. No one will come to help the pastor, no one will believe a pastor had taken a terrorist as his wife.
7. The wife had taken the husband's finance resources in control, under the name or for the sake in caring the sons and daughter, she control the husband's incomes and expenses, and so she control the ministry, if the ministry is a pioneering work, this will become worsen, she is the one who run the ministry, by the her mercy, the wife may bring up and down to the ministry according to her will. The husband cannot divorce her according to his work, his belief, his testimony, his God does not allow any such divorce, so the wife usurp the power like a man, she control and lead her husband, she controls her husband in finance and authority, and she makes her husband as a donkey to ride where she want to. She ruined the servant of God, and she destroyed the work as a pastor. She even sometime tempted the husband to give up the good work as a servant of God, rather to work for the secular work. For this I say, it is better for a man not to take a wife, like the Romans Catholic. Like Paul who kept single some say. “°I you have wife do not ask for a divorce, if you are single it is better not to ask for a wife!”±8. The pastor has to be long suffering in living with a terrorist, he has the enemy in his closet, the enemy is sleeping next to him in the bed, the enemy bear sons and daughter to him, and the enemy brought constant danger to the pastor, the enemy is his wife, the Bible said, the fresh in his fresh, and the bone in her bone had become the terrorist. The husband indirectly was force to kill himself, and the pastor must be killed secretly, in sickness, in road accident, in suicide, and in what ever meant, the terrorist wanted the wife to kill the husband at last. No one come to help the pastor.
9. The terrorist drained all money, love, sex from the woman married to the pastor. The pastor was living in poverty. The pastor are living with a dried well, the wife taken everything the husband needed most from his wife woman, but the woman he loved had given these to another man, the terrorist. The pastor lived in sadness, he cried to God, the Adonai.
10. The wife will not obey her husband, but she wanted the husband to follow her where she wants to, what she wanted to do the husband must obey her, if not the wife is good in turning over her husband in giving many reason, until the husband gives up his decision. This is an over turn, great pressure in following a terrorist wife, even the pastor ws tempted to killed himself. May God help him.
11. The terrorist wife as a secret agent, are well trained by the devils and demons, she is covered up, people will not believe, if you say she is a terrorist, people will not believe she is so cruel to the husband, and this the end time, a dangerous time on earth, give thank to God if you have found a good wife, if you found your wife is not a terrorist, give a thousand thanks to God, you have found favor in God.
12. In the future, the time is becoming more and more dangerous, ex specially to the pastor, who are single, beware, in choosing a wife, in walking the narrow way, see no one taken a terrorist as a wife, if he does, he found troubles for himself. May God lead us not to temptation!
13. The pastor has to over turn his terrorist wife, a task. But it is impossible, unless the Lord helps. They are living in a warfare, the wife and husband influencing one and another, it is like iron sharpen iron. Let pray so that the pastor will makes the wife repent from terrorism and become a Christian wife.
14. There is a time to born and a time to die, I pray for the theologians, who are reading Bible, give grace to the people who are reading CUV, NKJV, NIV, and even ESV. In this dangerous time, it is good for you to stick to a Bible version which is closest to the original autograph or the perfect Bible, if you do not have the perfect Bible, do not ask for a perfect Bible. Stand fast in the Lord, for the warfare is great!
15. I say with a heavy heart to see theologians are like the secular politicians who are proclaiming empty promises, this is to say about the Verbal Plenary Preservation, who is dare to say he has the perfect Bible in the end time.
16. Many are praying the Lord, Lord, Lord, only a few to be chosen, and many people pray that the Lord to come, maranatha, may the Lord come soon, but they do not want to pray for the coming of the great wars, hungers, earthquakes, sickness, rumours of wars, pray for the abomination of desolation, standing in the holy place, they do not want to pray for the coming of the tribulations, they do not want to pray for coming events in the end time. (Matthew chapter 24). Pray for the coming events of the end time and prepared for them.
17. Some do not want to pray for the gospel to the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole world, but rather indulged themselves in endless genealogies of Bible versions....this is a waste of time and energy, my sons, be strong in the Lord, and let go the VPP, the end time events do not need such a perfect Bible, what we need is the faith kept pure in all age, that faith is only be found in the Lord Jesus Christ, no other places. Amen.
18. Beware there is false Christ and false prophets, and there are signs and wonders, even the elect are tempted to believed in them. Some pastors who in later time mistaken a terrorist as his wife.....
See that no one lead you astray (Matthew 24:4) Do not take a terrorist as your wife, chose your partner with two opened eyes. Amen.
17.5.09
The Gold dust prayer meeting
I heard this strange story from a Christian pastor, and he told me he heard this story from someone he knew very well, and he told me it happened only a few years ago, I went to investigate about this strange story. I also heard something about it from another person, a few days ago, I believe some one is trying to tell me that the story happened. Let me conveyed to you what I heard, about a strange prayer meeting and strange phenomena and strange gospel are all about.
Few years ago, a group of Christian leaders conducted a prayer meeting, a strange thing happened during that prayer meeting, gold dust were found on the people who were praying in that prayer meeting, and a prophecy was told among them, that "revival must come to the country through them!"
My dear, I never come across anything like this, gold dust fallen from thin air onto the Christian who were praying, even from page one to last page in the Bible, I never see anything like this before in the church history, correct me if I am wrong!
These church leaders believed God must bless Christian materially, Christianity must comes together with health and wealth, if you are poor, materially, then you must check your salvation! They believe in the Gospel of wealth and health. Faith and Word movement!
I spend few years, in testing this phenomena of "gold dust" and the prophecy that "revival must come though them." What I found out about these Christian leaders. Did they become richer or healthier? Maybe or maybe not. Did revival come through them to the country? Let me continue with my study with this "health and wealth" teaching in these churches.
One day, I visited a friend, he is not a believer, he told me, he was invited to go to a church, because the church will bless him with wealth and health, he told me, he was invited to such a church, because the people there told him, God is able to bless his business if he believe in God, nothing about sinner seeking repentance or seeking the salvation from God.
It is true after some investigations, the churches which believed in that "revival must come through them," preached and stressed more and more about wealth and health rather than telling people about the simple plan of salvation from Jesus Christ. To them the health and wealth are the biggest attraction to the world, so they preached the messagse of health and wealth, health and wealth must come to the hearers before they are asked to receive the gospel, both must come before salvation. This is the kind of gospel and revival they sought and preached until today.
Another day, I was invited to another prayer meeting, this time we come together to pray for a sick woman, and she was diagnosed with breast cancer, and her husband is a pastor, he prayed for her, then the husband requested the leaders also pray for his wife, the husband asked the wife to stand in front the leaders and elders, and he rebuked his wife openly, saying that, his wife has no faith in God, that is why her sickness was not healed by God. I was shocked and stunned to hear such a words came out from a pastor in a prayer meeting asking for healing, from a pastor who does believed, preached the gospel of "health and wealth," a pastor who believed in "revival must come through them!"
I was sad to see the wife was rebuked in such a way in her last moment on earth, in her sickness and pains, after toiling and living together with her husband for so many years, now because of her breast cancer, she was rebuked by her husband pastor publicly, that she has no faith in God.
I am very sad and disturb to see a husband did that to a sick wife! What a cruel hate in him to her! This is the pastor who preached the gospel health and wealth, this is the pastor once preached that "revival must come through them not through other!" What a prayer meeting! This event haunted me for many years in my family life! Hate and cruel hidden behind the love of God! failing in healing is sign of no faith in God. What a testing to us!
During the first particular strange prayer meeting I heard earlier, gold dust was found on them, and they believed that is a sign from God. A blessing from God. Some one prophecy during that prayer meeting.
What may happened to that prayer meeting actually. I supposed someone felt good about the finding of the gold dust on them, and he or she prophecies something which was making people to feel good about themselves, unreasonable and to mislead the hearers, so and I proposed that prophecies has no basis at all.
Secondly, I supposed someone had secretly thrown some gold dust to them when they were praying with eyes closed, that is why we heard about that strange phenomena gold dust from God. With further investigations, I proposed to them that incident had nothing to do with the prophecy followed.
I proposed that particular sign and wonder, in that prayer meeting was man made, it is fake, gold dust was not a sign from God. Gold dust is misleading, some of them was cheated indirectly, gold dust indicating God is going to bless them with wealth! The love of the money is evil. See how much troubles in pursuing wealth....the thorns choked the spiritual growth of a saint.
Who know what actually happened in that prayer meeting? That prophecy needed time to be proven true, time will tell us, weather "revival came to them first or not," does revival come in "health" and "wealth?" Revival comes by gold dust?
Churches in the end time are seeking revival from God, and prophecy comes even with gold dust, some of them claimed that revival must come through them first, this is quite a proud statement, why not other, but why must come through them first, and then to other? Why they claimed like this, is it because of a small bottle of gold dust? Why we have to believe in a lie like this without further investigation? A bottle of gold dust cost how much to the church?
My dear, true health, true wealth, true sign and true wonders, all come from God, these things cannot saved any one on earth. But Jesus Christ is! Nothing can separate a man from the love from God, God is love.
Romans 8:28-39
More Than Conquerors
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:
"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
May God heal us, and provide us with true richness, Amen!
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